Sinister Dirt Jump Frame
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Is that a 1.5 head tube? Great looking bike Lag. Good photo coverage as well; the littl strip tease was appreciated ;-) Build? I dunno'. I'm sure a few will have worthwhile suggestions. Cool looking frame though.
Posted by Gusitar  on 03/09/04
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It is a 1.5 oversized head tube. My new DJ frame is a stripper. (aka peeler)
Posted by Lagwagon on 03/10/04
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why'd you take off the "Made in China" sticker?
Posted by The real fatcat on 03/10/04
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Build it? /sbin/fsck -i hell-yeah! Singlespeed it and strap a nice 100mm fork on the front. If you have any doubts about that idea then go to a Specialized dealer and grab a P1 off the rack and try that. Cheap bike but with slack head angle, afore mentioned fork ( a lower level 'Zoke ) and a single rear disc and some big fatties I found it to be quite fun. Think it had like 24x16 gears. Add a front disc and it's all the better. N'way, that frame looks to be of simuar geometry. You probably have enough spare parts about just to mess with it and get a general idea of what it's like, I'm guessing. CHUQ WANT P-BIKE! Hey, it was like a BMX for old fat dudes, blast from the past. Besides, I can aford one and it ain't no Huffy ;-) N'way, that's what I'd do if your winfall was mine but that's just my huble opinion...
Posted by Chuqster from Riverside on 03/09/04
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32:18 to start with for jumping
- Evil bash guard is unavailable (they are called E13 now - and are still awesome)
- I think black accessories (headset, cranks, bash, pedals) - would make it look like an angry hornet diving into the jumps...strong crankset (RF Northshores, Truvative Hollofcener, Saint, Profile) - tough, but not too expensive wheelset (XT/Rynolites or similar) - Minion 2.35's are perfect - Stan's (OF COURSE!) - FSA reducing headset, Marzocchi Z1 QR20 fork, E13 Pedals (when they come out which is supposed to be soon!)
Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 03/10/04
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Solid.
Jefe, any chance of selling my Z1 back to me? ;)
Posted by Lagwagon on 03/10/04
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If you look in the second picture, you can see a bag of goods. In that bag is some reducers for the headset, I havent looked at them yet and now I am curious to see the brand. Why would you build a frame with a OnePointFive head tube then reduce it?
Posted by Lagwagon on 03/10/04
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they are much stronger, because of the larger bearings in the reducing headset I think? - so much less likely to ovalize the headtube when you come up "short" (pun intended) on a double and slice your hand like a Ginzu through a tomato..."and it's still sharp enough to cut through this tin can!"
Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 03/10/04
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Waaaay GRAPHIC!!! Thanks for the tip.
Posted by Gusitar on 03/10/04
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You likely have an e13 reducer in that bag. They make all kinda of stuff for Iron Horse.
Posted by Dusty Bottoms from Dogtown on 03/10/04
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how is he going to make it a single-speed with that vertical dropout? (which looks detachable - maybe there is a horizontal one that can bolt on?) - is he going to have to have one of those chain-tensioning thingies on there? - 'cause those always seem lame... unless you go 1x9 like Sgt Brown (who knows a few things about dirt jumping AND HLD's) thinks you should - my Bruiser is 1x9 right now (with an Evil/E13 SRS) - it's good, but I'd love to have NO chain slap with a ss
Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 03/10/04
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Yeh, that's the only drawback to that scheme, using a chain-tension thingie. But at least if he get's tired of the SS idea he can easily goto gears. That P1 I'm wanting has the same deal but it has rear facing drops. Weird. On the upside of a chain thing, and please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm no SS rider (yet) but it would simplify the trailside presto-chango gear trick. Meaning, carring an extra gear of lesser ratio and then changing it once you get to the trailhead. I'm one of those who launches from the driveway so the idea is attractive to me. One gear for street bashing and another for the dirt. Perhaps my perspective will change with experience. N'way, my own attraction to such a bike, smallish frame, big tires, big fork, SS and a disc or two was the shear simplicity of it. Looks fun for the short early morning bashes I do before work and as a fun grocery-getter. But that's just me. Like I said before, reminds me of the BMX stuff from childhood days but updated to my age. I test rode such a contraption and it was fun as could be. Just hop on and go. I saw his pics of that frame and it reminded me of it. Um, I'll stop rambling now...
Posted by Chuqster from Riverside on 03/10/04
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So Cool !!! And the best part is having a beer close by (standard operating procedures learned well)
Posted by OCTOMAN a Downhiller on 03/10/04
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Hey Lag,
With out a doubt you need a Sherman Breakout Plus up front!That would be the perfect fork for that bike.
It just so happens that I won a Sherman Breakout Plus at that same Video Premier. And it just so happens to be for sale!!!! The fork is over at PUSH right now. Darren wanted to check out the innards.
Posted by Elvisfink a 41 year old Racer riding a Turner 5Spot / DHR from Garbage Grove on 03/10/04
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If it was my bike...take off the stickers. The paint is sweet on that frame, It is more metallic in person, no? Then build it up using as many polished aluminum parts as possible (hubs, cranks, stem, seatpost...) Do they make panoracer 2.4's with the yellow sidewall? That might be over the top, but could look sweet. Its all about how you look.
Posted by Arrkelly on 03/10/04
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No yellow panny's. Absolutely not. Maxxis for sure. Polished look could be hot.
Posted by Lagwagon on 03/10/04
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I like the "reveal" sequence of pictures. So, lemonade instead of root beer? or strip it and repaint it? <|;-)
Posted by DeRanger on 03/10/04
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Lemonade.. ha! I will probably keep it as it is.
Posted by Lagwagon on 03/10/04
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Too bad SC didn't go with iced tea for their brown... you'd have an Arnold Palmer collection.
Posted by ZG a 34 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a XRCFEX from Studio City on 03/10/04
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Rasta colors all the way, or maybe some purple and gold mix
Posted by Diablito a 26 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Stinky 4:20 down the extreme line of the mountain from THC Heights on 03/10/04
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that is a hideous idea brah - yellow and black, or yellow and chrome - either would be blinging - purple & gold is SO ugly old-school
Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 03/10/04
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Hey Mac,
Take it easy on the colorblind retarded kid!!
Posted by Elvisfink a 41 year old Racer riding a Turner 5Spot / DHR from Garbage Grove on 03/10/04
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sorry brah, you're right of course, I just couldn't help thinking he's been hanging out with a bad crowd (in this case another color-blind biker with hideous taste; Fatpus**y)
Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 03/10/04
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Just another Laker with too much travel up front?
Posted by Gusitar a Leap year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Red, White, Black or Blue one from S&M/Bentwood on 03/10/04
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Jirt Jump Build, Hey Lagwagon, I've got a ton of stuff you need to build this bike. Email me at rbrown@cablemarkers.com. This is what I have that would be great for a jump build. XTR Rear Deraileur Med. Cage (like new) - $45
XT Shifter Pod Rear only (like new) - $25
Ultegra 9 Speed Road cassette (like new) 11-23 - $25
Black Thomson Post 27.2 (Not sure what post you need) $40
MRP System 2 BB mount Slalom Guide (36-40) - $95
Black Thomson 50mm DH Stem - $40
TruVativ 2" Team Riser Bar - $25 I probably have more. Email me. Sgt
Posted by Sgt Brown a 31 year old Downhiller riding a Turner DHR, Rail, and 5-Spot from Trabuco Canyon on 03/10/04
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Seeing that was like strip tease, with out the skank!
Posted by Intenserider a 29 year old riding a Giant VT & an 'ol Intense from San Diego on 03/10/04
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Ok... Now for the perfect build for that frame Fork - RockShox Psylo SL Tulio
Bars - TruVativ Holzfeller 2" rise
Stem - TruVativ Holzfeller 40 or 60 or Thomson 50mm
Guide - TruVativ Box Guide 36-42, MRP Slalom or E.13 Slalom
Cranks - TruVativ Holzfeller
BB - TruVativ GigaPipe Team DH
Pedals - TruVativ Flats or Easton Cully's
Shifting - SRAM X.9 Trigger or Shimano XTR (both with road cass.)
Wheels - Mavic 521s on Hadley hubs, black pro-lock nipples
Tires - Michelin 24.1 lights 2.2 or Maxxis HighRoller 2.35 Sigle Ply and Larsen 2.0 rear
Seat Post - TruVativ Team Double Clamp or Thomson
Grips - ODI Ruffian Lock-ons
Brakes - Hayes
Seat - SDG Bel-Air or Dirt Jump Fatty Is that it?
Posted by Sgt Brown a 31 year old Downhiller riding a Turner DHR, Rail, and 5-Spot from Trabuco Canyon on 03/10/04
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I really like Truvativ's products; that build is getting me fired up! I have some researching to do on forks... Not to sure about that Rock Shox up there. If I do a 1x9, it would be Sram Triggers over the XTR. I would use your Thompson 50mm stem and post. Bonz levers is whats missin'. ;) Remember my rootbeer blur build? You made some nice improvements on it when it was being built. In fact, you even helped with my Boxxer (springs and washers) too. Maybe you can have a hand in this build.. ;)
Posted by Lagwagon on 03/10/04
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screw the Psylo - I've NEVER hear of one lasting in the long run - leaky seals anyone? Marzocchi make a fine, durable product... have you asked the Ironhorse guys if there is a horizontal option that can be bolted on instead of those (removable) dropouts? - I know (and this IS gonna be confusing) - that Sinister Bikes' frames have that option...
Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 03/10/04
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I have a Pyslo SL now with standard dropouts though. The seals are leaking.... I could save a lot of money by throwin that thing on, or better yet, sending it to PUSH. What about that, sending my Pyslo to PUSH? It isnt 20mm though. I am going to email Iron Horse about the horizontal option. Great idea Mac. Worth lookin' into.
Posted by Lagwagon on 03/10/04
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saving money? WTF you talkin 'bout, Gary Coleman? - sending it to Darren IS interesting - I bet he could make it worthwhile if he has the right parts....I think you can jump without the 20mm (although it's nice to have for strength and rigidity) don't waste your time with Ironhorse - I looked at your photos again and the dropout is only replaceable on the derailer side - the brake side is welded on, so I don't think it can work... :-(
Posted by Macrider a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner RFX, XCE & Trek Bruiser 2 from LA on 03/10/04
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This will definately be a 1x9, no single speed on this bike. I could always look into changing the lowers and getting a 20mm, sending it to Darren at Push, and still be under the price of a new one. That could be an option. I am saving money so I can buy a chair lift for that bike park by the Flyin B Ranch/Blackstar Canyon.
Posted by Lagwagon on 03/10/04
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I own 3 Psylo forks. None of them leak and I use them for XC/Freeride/Dirtjump. It is a great fork for Dirt Jumping. Light, Stiff, and good adjustment for Dirt Jumping and racing. Marzocchi stuff is great, but not sold on a plush freeride fork for jumping. I could see using one of the 100mm dirt jumpers. Smitty from Romic uses one and seems to work great for him.
Posted by Sgt Brown a 31 year old Downhiller riding a Turner DHR, Rail, and 5-Spot from Trabuco Canyon on 03/10/04
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I didn't realize before that it doesn't have sliding or horizontal dropouts, so nogo on the single speed option...singleators look dorky. I say build it with a Psylo Tulio (20mm through axle), 721 rims, Easton and Thomson, your choice of XTR or SRAM 9.0 drive train, 2.35 single ply High Roller front, 2.35 Single ply Larsen TT in rear. Lag, I'm not going to be on line or available by phone much today, but just call the Bike Co and have them pick the parts you need me to fondle.
Posted by El Jefe on 03/10/04
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Oh geez... The fondling of parts again! Please start with Sgt Browns Thompson stem and seat post.
Posted by Lagwagon on 03/10/04
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Manitou Sherman Breakout 1.5". Nothing more important than being stiff up front.
Posted by Softy on 03/10/04
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