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  • Fullerton Loop - #FullertonLoop

    Socal - Orange County - Fullerton NickNames: #FullertonLoop

    91 Frwy to Harbor Blvd. & go North to Berkely or 57 Frwy to Chapman Ave. Chapman to Harbor Blvd. turn Right (North) take to Berkely. Park behind Union 76 station on NW Corner of Harbor & Berkely. No fees are required, & there's plenty of parking. Look to where Berkely curves around behind the parking lot, & trail head is visible. Thomas Guide page 738 G6


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    • Trail UpdateHorse Crap!-Did the loop twice last weekend and after the rains from a week earlier the horse trails were jacked (from Brea blvd. to the creek). There was aslo a crap load of horse crap, seemed to be more than normal. Otherwise it was fun as usual, lot of peds lot of runners Saturday. Sunday was good everyone was at church.
      bp22 a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Gary fisher from Fullerton

      Posted:02/07/2013

    • Trail UpdateAfter The Rains-Has anyone hit the loop after the rains?

      Posted:12/26/2010

    • Trail UpdatePossible FundRaising Opportunity-I ride the loop alot, riden every possible trail and track. Ive been dying to get my crf450r on the trail. maybe someone can get a 1 day event for registered and spark arrested dirt bikes to run on marked trails??? take donations and put them to a worthy cause. I can do the loop on a bike in 45 to 50 min, on the dirtbike im bet'n 20 minutes. An ideal to raise good money for a troubled economy.

      Posted:05/16/2010

    • Trail UpdateNew Signal Crossing At Euclid Av-The City of Fullerton, in an ongoing effort to improve the City’s trail system, has recently installed a signalized crossing at Hiltscher Trail and Euclid St. This signal is activated by pressing the “walk” button (there is also a button for those riding horses). The wait time is about a minute, similar to the trail crossing at Juanita Cooke trail Morelia St. and Bastanchury.

      Other improvements to Hiltscher Trail are in final design, and will likely be under construction in the Spring of next year.

      Please feel free to forward this e-mail to other trail users, and we hope you continue to enjoy the City’s trail system.

      Thank You,

      Yvonne Pedersen

      Outdoor Recreation Coordinator

      Get Outdoors

      Fullerton Parks & Recreation

      office 714 738-6594

      cell 714 476-6058



      Get outdoors a Weekend Warrior from Fullerton

      Posted:11/10/2009

    • Trail UpdateUpper Lake Trail Blocked-The upper trail from the lake has been blocked due to construction of a retaining wall at a residence on the south end. However, one homeowner has taken this opportunity to plant trees in the middle of the trail to prevent further use once the construction is completed. Apparently they don’t care for people being this close to their property. We need to make sure this trail is returned to the public. Drop a line to the city of Fullerton and remind them this has been a public trail for many years. Department links can be found at http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/

      The trails are pretty loose and dusty right now, so make sure you’re riding in front.
      Iguana

      Posted:08/12/2009

    • Trail UpdateNew Pics...-Hey MTB bikers what’s up...!!!! Well to help our community of new bikers trying to come over and check the Fullerton loop, I just uploaded a bunch of new updated pictures from this trail. I usually start riding the loop from Bonita park because that’s was closer to my house and lots of riders start at the Fullerton court. My set of pictures start from the Bonita park all going thru the rail road, the golf course, the tunnels, the Fullerton court and to the Hiltscher trail that leads to Euclid st.
      Some time in the future I will continue and post the rest of the trail. Enjoy and lets ride!!!!!
      marcoracing a 37 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Specialized Hardrock

      Posted:02/28/2009

    • Trail UpdatePost #1000!-Been a while since I rode this trail (15+years). Saturday was great, perfect weather and not to busy early in the morning. Started at the courthouse and went clockwise. Trail in good shape,a bit rutted in some areas for my abilities, but the others in my group had no issues. Will have to come back soon.
      Kickstand a 30 year old

      Posted:02/01/2009

    • Trail UpdatePretty Cool Ride.-The trail is pretty confusing to get around, the map at some trail heads are not really helpful unless you know the area pretty well. I'll try my best to describe how i did it and survived...

      The best way to ride the actual loop is clockwise, starting around the courthouse you'll head up Juanita Crooke and make a left down to Hiltscher Trail, up this a** of hill (if you're out of shape) in which you'll meet a T intersection, you're going to go straight until Bastenchery st, and cross over to Sunny Hills High School and ride beside Union Pacific tracks to your left until you find Parks Trail, from there find Rosecrans Trail, which is pretty much along side Rosecrans Street, so if you get lost, just find that street. From there you'll ride all the way down to the golf course/fire station; Before the Fire Station should be a little trail called Castle Wood Trail, and this is where the real work out begins, its pretty much uphill to a certain point where there is an AMAZING view, and back down again and up and down, WATCH YOUR DOWNHILL SPEED!! At one point you'll being going down hill pretty fast and be surprised by this intersection in which my buddy and i got lucky and survived without even knowing it was there. about .25 miles you'll see another trail called Nora Kutter trail which has another a** of a hill but the downhill is sweet, and once again you'll hit another street, so ride a good distance apart, and stay alert. you'll cross that street and get on the Bud Turner Trail through some backyards and past a horse training arena or something to that effect, that trail will take you through a lake/pond and then once again you can meet the Juanita Crooke Trail and have a blast going back to the car.

      Bring plenty of water, and be prepared of course, i got a flat today there, and it wasnt fun.

      I'd recommends this trail for some intermediate riders who can handle pain, and want a descent uphill challenge with some rewarding downhills. :]
      nrmeach a 16 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek 4500 from Cypress, CA

      Posted:08/02/2008

    • Trail UpdateGiant Demo Ride-Giant and Fullerton Bicycles are putting on a demo ride at the Fullerton Loop. This Thursday 7-10-08 starting at 3:00 til 8:00. Giant will be bringing the tour rig with plenty of bike for you to try. Come by the tent to say Hello and check out the giant line. To demo a bike you need to have the following:1)A valid drivers license. 2)A Helmet. 3)Your own pedals unless you don't mind platform pedals. (RIDE LIFE RIDE GIANT)
      Justaryder a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant Trance x from Fullerton

      Posted:07/08/2008

    • Trail UpdateBig Thanks!!!-I would like to say thanks to all the guys at Fullerton Bicycles and Specialized for putting on the demo ride today at the courthouse parking lot. It was great to ride a few different bikes to check out how each one rode on the Loop. I really like the Stumpjumper S-Works, wish I had some xtra cash to lay down on one. Other than that the trail was in good shape with many riders out enjoying the great weather.
      CTBG a 46 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a A GIANT CARBON NRS from Fullerton

      Posted:03/27/2008

    • Trail UpdateRaw Sewage Spill-Just to let everyone know there was a sewage spill in the Hilshire park section at the far end close to Euclid. There are signs posted along the way but, about 3/4 of the way you will need to cross over to the main trail. I talked to the city's sewer supervisor and I was told that section will be closed for a few weeks until it has dried up. They are asking everyone not to use it until they remove the barricades.
      Justaryder riding a a Giant Trance x from Fullerton

      Posted:03/17/2008

    • Trail UpdateNew Exit-On the downhill that leads to Euclid (Nora Kuttner) is being fenced off at the end. You now will go left just before the end. There are cones and a Detour sign to direct you. This is a nice change.
      Justaryder a 45 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a New Trance x from Fullerton

      Posted:02/06/2008

    • Trail UpdateSingle Track Section-The extra credit part after you cross Parks road that drops down has been all re done, it is very fast and smooth enjoy
      fullerton Bike Mike a 41 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a GIANT from Fullerton baby

      Posted:02/04/2008

    • Trail UpdatePothole Digger Nabbed-An article in the LA Times said: "A Fullerton man has been charged with felony vandalism for allegedly digging potholes in a park trail to thwart mountain bikers who were interfering with his enjoyment of walking his dog, the Orange County district attorney's office said Friday.

      An arrest warrant was issued for Warren John Wilson, 52, district attorney spokeswoman Susan Kang Schroeder said. She said police officers "set up surveillance and saw Mr. Wilson in the act."

      I've dodged a few if those potholes but apparently some bikers have crashed and complained to police. Now if we could just get the guy who lays logs and brush across the trail behind the dam....

      Iguana a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a bicycle from Fullerton

      Posted:01/06/2008

    • Trail UpdateSingle Track Is For Everyone-My wife and son were walking the dog on the single track in Hiltscher Park today when a 30-something rider in red shorts and a white shirt came along and told them the single track was for bikes only. My son told him all the trails were for everyone. So the jerk said, “Okay, next time I’ll just run over you”. I’ve been riding and walking these trails for years and never witnessed this kind of blatant arrogance. This a-hole needs to learn some trail courtesy or stay home. Maybe he should just ride on the street …and get hit by a bus. Red Shorts if you read this, next time ride with someone who is familiar with the Fullerton Loop and can teach you some manners.

      On another note, if you haven’t ridden the loop in a while, the rail road tracks are still muddy and there is a lot of new gravel covering parts of the trail.

      a Die-hard Enthusiast from Fullerton

      Posted:09/29/2007

    • Trail UpdateI am God.
      riding a unicycle with free wheel

      Posted:08/14/2007

    • Trail UpdateI saw the unicycle kid - he bunnyhopped the short uphill by the high-school track. Very cool!

      Posted:07/20/2007

    • Trail UpdateTree Blocking Trail-There's a tree blocking the middle single track behind the dam. It's right after the fork where the right trail connects. There's also a few low branches on the trails behind the dam.
      I saw a guy on a unicycle riding the trail this morning while I was walking my dog. Kept waiting for him to crash, but he stayed with it.
      Iguana riding a 2 wheeler from Fullerton

      Posted:07/14/2007

    • Trail UpdateDitch-Don't fill in the drainage ditches. They need to drain when it rains.
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a X-Cal

      Posted:06/19/2007

    • Trail Updateditto to what Iggy said. Who in the hell is screwing with the trail in this area. The nature of the holes makes it seem like they must have been purposely dug.

      I went over the handle bars last week at the makeshift bridge over the drainage channel (bad bike handling was part of the problem). It was nicely repaired this week.

      Posted:06/12/2007

    • Trail UpdateNew Pot Holes-The holes around the ditch have been filled in, but some a-h has dug two new pot holes between the trees on the way to the ditch. There's no way around them, so watch out, especially night riders.
      Iggy

      Posted:06/09/2007

    • Trail UpdateDitch-Who's the knuckle head that dug that pot hole next to the ditch?

      Posted:05/26/2007

    • Trail UpdateTrail Repairs-rode the loop this morning and going towards the train
      track path they are doing repairs down there
      Fyi

      Lat
      a Weekend Warrior riding a a cool one from covina

      Posted:05/25/2007

    • Trail UpdateThat cement bridge was a bad idea. There are huge pot holes on either side of it now. I can't clear the 2nd hole with my back tire.
      riding a huffy with banana seat and sissy bar

      Posted:05/19/2007

    • Trail UpdateCement In The Drain Ditch-I'm glad someone mentioned the recently filled drain ditch (w/cement before you get to Laguna Park). Folks we have to remember we shouldn’t tamper w/things like this. Sooner or later the City will start looking at us bikers as vandals. Everyone has to learn how to ride the trail and the obstacles it has for us. You can’t fix things like this to make it easier on you; this will come back to get us in the end. Like others, for a long time I walked over the drain ditch, but eventually learned to jump/bunny hop over it. If you have fear over going over it…walk. Don’t ruin the trail for the rest of us. Thanks!
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a n Intense 5.5 from Corona, CA

      Posted:04/01/2007

    • Trail UpdateI live right by the loop, rode it this morning after not riding for a year. Saw that there is a signal (not a full blown traffic signal but one that works only when you press the cross button) at the Euclid crossing. Nice! There was another one at a traffic filled crossing but can't remember which one. Concrete was poured in a small section of the drainage ditch right before the lake area so no more having to walk across. Overall the trail was great, seemed more crevice-y and bumpy. The hill across from bastanchury-the wood logs put in to reduce erosion are really sticking up high. Saw two boys shooting a bbgun in the preserve on my way down the hill to cross Euclid for the second time, that's not allowed is it? If you see them yell at them.
      lc

      Posted:03/31/2007

    • Trail UpdateRest Of Loop-I did the rest of the loop this morning (from Euclid at Laguna Lake Park to finish at courthouse.) Right after I crossed Euclid there was a moving type truck blocking path - had to dismount and go around. trail through park was nice - dirt is packed down well after little rain the other day. Someone has put some sandbags and rocks in middle of trail right before the parking lot at the lake. Watch out - it is a significant obstacle unless you build your speed up and like to hop over that little drainage ditch it is by. I like the challenge so i did not remove it - whitch would be another option. Smooth down the trail to railroad trestle - under Harbor - by golf course - were a couple golfers out - just before the undercrossing at Bastanchury there is a tree down (from winds the other day?) but it does not block the trail unless you are 7' + tall (and if you are why are you riding a MTB on the fully loop and not playing in the NBA?) - went through dam area - explored extension route to Brea Blvd by sports complex - backtracked. The next section has always been difficult as far as routefinding for me - here is how I did it today - let me know your route - I came to a 3 way intersection of trails in sight of the dam - i went left uphill away from the damn. I came to a good sized trail where I turned right and had an option of taking a lower trail that went up past the damn and on to the tennis center OR up a steeeep hill - I went up the hill - at the top I descended gradually at first - then down a short but steep hill that brought me to a cement road. I turned right (left - there was a fence - eventually came to a nother paved road to the left that took me up on top of the dam and ended up in the parking lot of the tennis center. Is there a way to exit by AAA further down Harbor - if so let me know. thanx. A good ride - we have a treasure in our own backyard - be good caretakers of it - courtesy to all users, not littering, and common sense will keep this trail open to us as MTBers. Have fun.
      Harrier a 30 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Hurricane from Whittier

      Posted:03/29/2007

    • Trail UpdateTrail Directions Link-This link has been posted previously - but here it is again for new users.

      http://www.efgh.com/bike/fullertonloop.htm

      Good description of the route - very detailed - with pictures.

      Rode partial loop on Sunday. Started where Hiltcsher Park ends at Euclid. When riding on valley View take left side - the right side is full of water - (maybe sewage - no rain?) Trail is in great condition through parks- across Rosecrans - Tree Park - up Rosecrans. Thru Eucalyptus Grove - up the hill - coming down the trail is rutted in parts - i don't mind ..makes it more challenging - across Gilbert - up Nora Kutnerr trail - watch for rabbits running cross the trail into the wildlife preserve - and down the hill to Euclid. I had time constraints so I cut the ride short here and rode back to Hiltcsher park. Was clear and sunny. Saw about 8 or 9 bikers - a group of runners - and hikers. Someone posted earlier that the walkers leave the hilly areas alone but they were sure out there between Rosecrans and Gilbert. Always be courteous - keep the loop open. I have some free time next week - i will do the rest of the ride and post back.
      Harrier a 30 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Hurricane from Whittier

      Posted:03/27/2007

    • Trail Updatemapquest / google / Thomas guide:

      North Justice Center
      1275 North Berkeley Avenue
      Fullerton, CA 92832-1258

      Park in the lower lot (traffic couurt).

      Posted:02/10/2007

    • Trail UpdateDirections-Head north on harbor to Fullerton. Go through Downtown area and make a left on Berkley and it will swing around to the right first driveway make a left in to courthouse lower parking lot and start there. Hope this helps.
      Justaryder a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:12/29/2006

    • Trail UpdateHow To Get There, Please-Hi everybody! I'm new in this sport and I want to make my first ride. The Fullerton Loop seems to be a good starting point and is pretty close to home. But I'm not sure how to get there and directions posted in this message board are a little confusing to me. Would anybody give me better directions? I'm in Garden Grove close to Harbor Blvd. Thanks!!!
      adelos1967 a Weekend Warrior from Garden Grove, CA

      Posted:12/29/2006

    • Trail Updateeasy
      diamondback

      Posted:09/04/2006

    • Trail UpdateHopin' To Be Down This Weekend??-I haven't been on the Loop in OVER A YEAR!!!
      My wife and I moved to Las Vegas last july and so I'm really looking forward to takin' a lap around the Loop.

      Hope to see you all there!!!
      Have a GREAT RIDE...
      ROGER79 a 45 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Santa Cruz BLUR from Las Vegas, NV.

      Posted:06/29/2006

    • Trail UpdateThanks For The Maintenance-Thanks to those who fixed a number of the wood fixtures and did some trail maintenance (I was wondering how long that plywood was going to hold my weight).

      A week or two ago the city (or railroad) filled in the Landmark sinkhole. I hear they found a few Tryptophan riders at the bottom before they filled it in.


      RollnStone a 48 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek Fuel from Cypress

      Posted:06/01/2006

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-the fullerton police now have dirt bikes to partol the loop. they passed me up on the single track at the equestrian park. other than that the trail is getting a little dusy. ride free
      bungle riding a santabansheetrekdale

      Posted:05/12/2006

    • Trail UpdateBravo!-The trail maintenance folks went to town with the grader. The RR tracks section between the golf course and the lake trail has been subdued. My arse is most thankful and my time improved.

      The drop at the beginning of the golf course section is getting hairy. Be careful or walk it.

      Posted:05/11/2006

    • Trail UpdateGood Conditions-Most of the trail is in pretty good shape. It's a little overgrown in some places, but the single tracks behind the dam have been trimmed back just enough to make it a comfortable ride. Thanks to the city crew, or whoever, for that.
      The puddles along the railroad tracks have disappeared. Where the heck did that stuff come from anyway? It was there before we had any rain.
      Have fun and be friendly to the hikers.

      Posted:04/22/2006

    • Trail UpdateWater And Mud-There's a muddy mess at the start of the single track after mormon hill - east side of Euclid - above the equestrian center.
      Someone left their sprinklers on or maybe there's a busted pipe up the slope.

      riding a Stringray w/banana seat & sissy bar

      Posted:04/21/2006

    • Trail UpdateSomeone piled more crap into the culvert by Laguna Lake (branches, rocks, etc). I almost stopped and cleared it out but apparently not everyone can jump that small gap.

      In other news, Bike magazine has a write-up on the loop this month. Two articles in two mags in the same month???

      Posted:04/19/2006

    • Trail UpdateWarning-When exiting the trees on the single track just before Laguna Lake there is a small concrete culvert on the grassy hill. There used to be a large rock in the culvert to assist in riding over the gap. The rock is now gone and a few people have bitten the dust. Either keep up your speed and bunny-hop it or stop and step over it.

      Most of the usual wet spots are still wet, but there are dry lines to be had.
      RollnStone

      Posted:04/08/2006

    • Trail UpdateGood Shape-Rode the loop this morning and it's in great shape after the rains.

      Posted:04/07/2006

    • Trail UpdateWhaaaat?-That's right. There are some new fun mini free ride sections: a Big BMX Hit, Big left hip table top and then watch for bikes jumping the trail over haed. Look for them just after Dennis Drop.(the single track section just after you cross Parks).It appears the stadium rithem section is back, too, just after hospital hill. A nice Fullerton Police Women told me that they received calls that some kids with a white van and shovels were running amuck.
      Crash a 44 year old Downhiller riding a Chumba

      Posted:03/20/2006

    • Trail UpdateLOOPY LOO-there are a few mud holes, in the usual places, behind the golf course and the low dark spots...other than tht the trail is very tacky. some new jumps are present.
      ride free
      bungle a Downhiller riding a santabansheetrekdale

      Posted:03/20/2006

    • Trail UpdateLeft Tunnel Blocked-Rode Saturday and all was clear. On Sunday, the left tunnel was blocked with tree trunks and debris. Where the heck did that come from? It didn't rain very much in my neigborhood, but it must have come down pretty good up stream.
      The rest of the trail is in good shape. Just a few puddles and soft spots.
      Iguana a Die-hard Enthusiast from Fullerton

      Posted:03/19/2006

    • Trail UpdateApril 2006 MBA-Current issue,April 2006. Usually the subsribers get their copies before the newstands.

      It's on page 14, under Happy Trails.

      BTW, rode the trail late afternoon yesterday. The trail was in good condition with the exception of a few wet spots. Lots of riders at the parking lot getting ready for a night ride :)
      Big joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a n Intense 5.5 from Corona, CA

      Posted:03/10/2006

    • Trail UpdateWhat Magazine / What Page?-I went to Albertsons and didn't see the mag. I tried Barnes and Noble too.

      What's on the cover?

      Thanks Big Joe

      Posted:03/09/2006

    • Trail UpdateWhat Magazine / What Page?-I went to Albertsons and didn't see the mag. I tried Barnes and Noble too.

      What's on the cover?

      Thanks Big Joe

      Posted:03/09/2006

    • Trail UpdateMountain Bike Action...-Pick up the new MBA, April 2006. Cool write up from Richard Cunningham regarding the Loop.

      Amazing how long this trail has been around. Let's take care of it!
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a n Intense 5.5 and a Tracer from Corona, CA

      Posted:03/03/2006

    • Trail UpdateWin Some, Lose Some-From the Fullerton Observer (City Council Notes):
      "A request from a homeowner on Crestview Drive asking the city to abandon an 80 by 400 foot public right of way that is part of the City's trail system has been denied. The applicant along with others, has encroached on the right of way, the excuse being that no one in the area seems to know where their lot lines are. Council asked code enforcement to look at other trails in the City and have encroachments removed."

      This is the section just past Euclid. Thanks to all who called or emailed!

      On the down-side, the trail running through Laguna Lake Park is going to be paved.

      Posted:03/02/2006

    • Trail UpdatePost-rain-I've found it best to wait two days after any rain for the trail to get dry enough that you won't be sucking up tons of mud. I rode yesterday, one day after the last rains, and was getting bogged down a lot. This weekend should be great riding if we don't get any more rain.

      Posted:03/02/2006

    • Trail UpdatePost Rain...-Anybody been out and seen the trail after the rain? Just want to find out if it would be rideable by Saturday. I'll be running Mormom Hill today so I'll try to post an update at least about that part of the trail.
      a 26 year old riding a MC Rumble from La Habra, CA

      Posted:03/02/2006

    • Trail UpdateDozer Work-Just before the parking lot at Laguna lake theres the single track section. One of the residents just before the parking lot comes into view has began taking down trees. There is now a wide swath coming up the hill from the riding ring below. Just beware he almost dropped a tree on my head.
      pmortuary a 23 year old Weekend Warrior riding a 2005 spec rockhopper from fountain valley

      Posted:02/28/2006

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-A few weekends back I went to check out what the hubbub was regarding trail encroachment. I believe I found the obstacle - the temporary fence up on the single track after Laguna Lake.

      C'mon. That fence/construction is not that big of a deal. If something THAT insignificant is gonna rub your fur the wrong way, maybe MTB isn't the sport for you. There is always the main trail down below to accomodate the training wheels if thats whats getting snagged on the fence.

      The loop is still in prime form. I'd still ride it even if they put temporary chain link fence along the entire right hand side over the whole 12.4 miles.

      Now, get off the internet, stop whining and go ride.

      Now, If they decide to close off the trail after the Euclid crossing, its ALL OUT WAR.


      MarkusHeadlaunch a 35 year old riding a Fisher Hardtail

      Posted:02/24/2006

    • Trail UpdateRelatively Dry-I rode the loop (excluding Golf Course) yesterday. I was expecting some mud puddles but things were dry for the most part. The ruts were rearranged some. There are some mud puddles along Richmond Knoll area.

      Posted:02/21/2006

    • Trail UpdateGet Real...-C'mon now... I saw the trail on Monday - ya it sucks that they are building into the trail! But if this is their property line, WE cant say anything about it, nor can the city. I've been riding The Loop for almost ten years and it sucks everytime there are modifications to it (and I've seen alot; mostly it was done by the city). But some of you as a 'home owners' know that anytime you guys decide you want to build, extend, remodel, etc...you can.

      But seriously, it looks like the work they are doing doesnt go as far as the fence. The fence is just there to give them room (to work on).

      Oh btw, taking shovel and start cutting a new trail into the hills will land you big fines. cant do that when there are houses up on the hills.

      Just make the best of it. The Loop is still fun no matter what!
      Big Joe

      Posted:02/09/2006

    • Trail UpdateBe Productive-Grab a shovel and cut a technical trail winding down the side of the slope where the new fences are. Change can be a good thing.
      Crash Collins a 44 year old Racer riding a Chumba from Placentia

      Posted:02/09/2006

    • Trail UpdateAbout Prescriptive Easements-It looks like loop riders have a case. Here's an example in Tahoe. I think the first step is to contact the city about it.

      http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20050811/NEWS/108110027/-1/rss02

      Posted:02/02/2006

    • Trail UpdateMore Fence-Ive'been riding the trail for at least 12 years, and I know the upper trail was there before that. I saw the contractor marking the line for more fence on Sunday. He said the property line is where the green fence is. The homeowners have added on to their houses and now they want more yard, so they are fencing up to their property line.

      I asked him to try and give the hikers and bikers some more room. He said he was going put the fence back a "bit" from the trail and maybe move the other one back. I'll believe it when I see it.

      Does anyone know the legal details of a "prescriptive easement"? How do you enforce it? You probably need help from the City. Good luck there, too.

      Posted:02/02/2006

    • Trail UpdatePrescriptive Easement-Do we know that the owners are doing something legal or are they attempting a hostile grab at the land? That trail has been there for the seven years I've been riding the loop (anyone know how long it's been there?).

      Posted:02/01/2006

    • Trail UpdateLoopy Loop-my thoery is that the home owners did not know where thier property line was...now we all know
      healing vibes to Bender!!!

      bungle a Downhiller riding a santabansheetrekdale

      Posted:02/01/2006

    • Trail UpdateRe: More Fencing-OK now I'm pissed, I'm calling the city engineering department myself tomorrow to see what's going on. There is no way the should be damaging or bulldozing a trail that's been used by the public for years.

      Posted:01/31/2006

    • Trail UpdateMore Fencing-The trend is continuing - the neighbor just past the green chainlink fence has bulldozed the trail and has it staked out for another fence. It was sort of ridable through the construction area for now.

      Posted:01/31/2006

    • Trail UpdateLoop-I might be mistaken,but to post # 937 the trail he was speaking of puts you out onto Brea blvd.You go left and follow it to the Y of harbor and Brea blvd and then make a right back to the court house at the y on Berkeley ave i think,or the one just before the gas station.
      boonespale a 34 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a iron horse from Fullerton,Ca

      Posted:01/26/2006

    • Trail UpdateNo More Trees...-The trees that fell in the path of the trail(in several places) have either been removed or cut back so ride easy and have no fear of any plant life!

      Rode the trail Saturday morning(1-14-06) and have never seen so many people. Remember to slow down and be a good trail user. My buddy and I slowed down to what we thought was a very respectful, crawling speed, and an old golfer still felt the need to yell at us to slow down. Responded with a nice "good morning". Kill the old grumps with kindness I guess. I also felt it was nice of them to not move an inch for us. Oh well.

      Keep ridin!
      a 25 year old riding a MC Rumble from La Habra, CA

      Posted:01/16/2006

    • Trail UpdateLoop-I also notice some downed trees rom the latest winds,but most were right on the edge of the trail,not to bad.I stinks by the tracks,that mud is nasty!I dont know if it was because it was dark,but the steep climb from the damn and straight down itno the grass,seemed to be really slippery,i could not stop!Im sure its was because of limited visibilty.I hit the corner going up the hill to the golf course at about 5:15,so it was pretty dark going down under the trees.BY the way,whoever made the last post E-mail me.Ill ride with ya if ya like.
      boonespale a 34 year old Die-hard Enthusiast from Fullerton,Ca

      Posted:01/10/2006

    • Trail UpdateMore On Fence-The City Maintenance Dept. and Code Enforcement are looking into the legality of the fence. Even if it is legal, it's pretty inconsiderate. The neighbors are also clearing an area. I hope this isn't going to be a trend.

      I'll post a message when I hear back from the City.

      Other than a couple of tree limbs down, the trail is in great shape. Sure would like to eliminate the puddles at the beginning of the RR tracks, though.

      Posted:01/10/2006

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop-I ride this trail alot as i live 1.2 miles from the court house.Good work out for a day after work.I really dont like all that sawdust and they just layed from fresh stuff down on the sencond portion of it.Has anybody ever noticed the huge temp drop along the fence next to the golf course before the tunnels,damn it gets cold right there at night.Trail is in good shape,that little green fence is close to the trail,little of balance and cuaght my handle bar on it.
      boonespale a 34 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Iron Horse G-spot,and Iron horse mk III team from Fullerton,ca

      Posted:01/09/2006

    • Trail UpdateLoop '06-First update of year is mine- Alright! Rode on 1-7-06 at about 8am. Clear skies, temps in the high 60s. Gorgeous day. Very crowded in parts...must have been the good weather. Overall the trail is the same. The part next to the new plastic green fence has been mellowed out a little and seems safer.

      Trail is a little harrier in parts due to the recent rain, but still doing great. Go get it!
      LLrider a 25 year old riding a '04 Mountain Cycle Rumble hardtail from La Habra, CA

      Posted:01/09/2006

    • Trail Update... Turn left on Harbor - right at the next light (Valley View), then the next left - this will bring you back to the courthouse, and the beginning of the loop.
      CT a 28 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek from OC

      Posted:12/28/2005

    • Trail UpdateQUESTION??-WHERE DO YOU GO AFTER THE TUNNELS BY THE GOLF COURSE ONCE YOU GET TO THE SIDE BY THE DAM? I WENT ON THE LEFT TRAIL AND IT TOOK ME TO A PLACE WITH ALOT OF TAGGING I RODE UP THE HILL AND DOWN A HILL WENT BY A ORANGE PLASTIC FENCE AND ENDED UP ON HARBOR BLVD. NOW WHERE DO I GO?
      XXXSKINXXX13

      Posted:12/28/2005

    • Trail UpdateThe Fence-I posted a picture of the fence (about 50% complete as of 12-24-05)
      stonewi a 48 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek from Cypress URL: Fence Photo

      Posted:12/26/2005

    • Trail Update"The Fence"-Yep - it's definitely a permanent fence (or they want it to be), and only half of it is up so far. It's on your right parallel to the single track. The trail's a little rough there, too - so watch out so you don't eat it. I don't think it's tough enough to scare beginner riders away, though.
      CT a 28 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek from OC

      Posted:12/23/2005

    • Trail UpdateNon Deeded Easment?-If there's been public access to this bit of trail for years then there's a case to be made for the fence to be clear of it, no matter what the surveyors say. THis is definitely worth brigning to the attention of the engineering department which oversees setbacks, public rights of way etc. Sounds like that may already be happening.

      Posted:12/20/2005

    • Trail UpdateThe fence looks permanent and doesn't block the trail - although it is pretty damn close. There was a private company, not city, out there clear-cutting everything on the housing-side, not the trail-side slope, along a stretch of three houses. From the surveyor marks on the ground it does look like the single-track as we know it is going to be behind more fences and in someone's back yard.
      pdmoore

      Posted:12/20/2005

    • Trail UpdateFence-The City is not aware of the fence and is going to investigate it. If it is on city property, it is a code violation. It might be on private property. It is set in concrete and does not look temporary to me.

      I was told this is not a sanctioned portion of the trail. If that is true, then why does the city have signs posted at the end?

      Posted:12/20/2005

    • Trail UpdateThanks for the fence info. Glad there are a lot of clued in people posting here.

      Posted:12/20/2005

    • Trail UpdateFENCE PHOBIA-The fence is not an issue. It's a temporary plastic fence there to keep debris off the trail while workers clear some growth from above. If anything, it just adds a little more tech. to the loop. If you're unsure of your skills just don't climb right. Instead take the low road.
      Crash Collins a 43 year old Racer riding a Chumba from Placentia

      Posted:12/19/2005

    • Trail UpdateSo this fence completely blocks the singletrack? Thanks for the heads up since i'll be riding a night ride tomorrow. That is strange though. Could it have been the city workers? I saw them out doing maintenance Saturday morning. I wouldn't see a reason for it but who knows.

      TRAIL: Trail is awesome as usual. Suprisingly small amount of sand this time of year.
      Lance a 25 year old riding a MC Rumble from La Habra

      Posted:12/19/2005

    • Trail UpdateCan Someone Photo The Fence?-I just broke my finger so I'm off my bike for a while or I'd do it myself. If someone put a fence in the middle of the existing right of way then it may be illegal and the city should be contacted. This is doubly important if it endangers anyone!

      Posted:12/18/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail Conditions-One of the homeowners has installed a chain link fence on the single track after Laguna Lake. The fence runs down the middle of the existing trail. The fence is dark green in color and may be easy to miss on night time rides. Be careful.
      Looprider a Cross-Country Rider riding a full suspension from Anaheim

      Posted:12/17/2005

    • Trail UpdateStraight-where the loop first hits Rosecrans you cross straight across the street and go up the path through Grissom park. You'll get back to Rosecrans later on but at that point it will be obvious which way to go.

      Posted:12/15/2005

    • Trail UpdateLOst-My first time at the loop and I came out on rosecrans wich directions should I go?
      CHINEZZ ENGRISH a 29 year old Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:12/15/2005

    • Trail UpdateLoop Extension-Just wondering whether anyone can e-mail me a map of the trails for the extension or give me directions.
      wacko04

      Posted:12/13/2005

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-...HEALING VIBES FOR BENDER
      GET WELL SOON
      BUNGLE

      Posted:11/17/2005

    • Trail UpdatePHANTON 24 Ride-Better bring your own swag,old useless swag cause you maybe sharing it with yourself.This rumor was started at Rosie's Cantina (No not the one where Marty shot that kid)Remember Fullerton Loop= no commercial potential
      Prof. Ride on a 50 year old riding a J.C. Higgens

      Posted:11/16/2005

    • Trail UpdateLoop...-Rode the trail mid-day on Friday 11/11. Overcast, cool and perfect. Gotta love the loop. It's really hard to get tired of this trail. Lots of variations available.

      Trail is in great condition still. Go get it before the rain does!
      a 25 year old riding a MC Rumble from La Habra

      Posted:11/15/2005

    • Trail UpdateDate Change?-I've always wanted to try riding the loop for 24. Too bad I'll be outta town that weekend. You wouldn't consider a different date would ya? Invite more people...it'll be funner. =)
      MPx3 a Weekend Warrior riding a not so bling bling bike from Fullerton

      Posted:11/11/2005

    • Trail UpdateSB told me specifically that he wanted to keep it small and quiet, no publicity.
      mantis from fullerton

      Posted:11/09/2005

    • Trail Update24 HOURS OF THE LOOP-The 2nd annual Tour De Tryptophan is drawing near.
      Friday, Nov. 25th at noon to Saturday at noon.
      More info on this fund raising Bike Ride/Race to be posted soon.
      Crash Collins a 43 year old Racer riding a Cumba from Placentia

      Posted:11/09/2005

    • Trail UpdateMeeting Postponed To Dec. 14-According to the Fullerton city website, the request for abandoment item will be continued to the December 14 meeting.

      http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/dev_serv/pc/currentagenda.html


      Iguana

      Posted:11/07/2005

    • Trail UpdateGood Info, Thanks-That's good to hear. It might be a good idea for anyone from Fullerton to attend the meeting just in case, just to make sure that whatever happens doesn't affect public access to the loop.
      mantis

      Posted:11/03/2005

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop-i received a response back from Don Hoppe. i feel comfortable with sharing this, as it pertains to a public works project, and was cc'd to others.

      "Jay,

      It does not appear to staff that you need to worry about this particular abandonment request. The existing right of way (ROW) is 80 feet. The request is to abandon only the northerly 40 feet. City staff is currently reviewing the water utility requirements, Edison requirements and neighborhood uses to determine if they will recommend approval as proposed or some other width that is less than the requested 40 feet. A final recommendation has not been determined and is pending a request to provide additional data regarding the actual location of the ROW.

      However, since the Fullerton Loop uses only the southerly portion of the “roadway”, it will not be affected in either case. The “improvements” you can see in the field today actually extend beyond the northerly 40 feet of street ROW and will be required to be removed upon the conclusion of the abandonment process.

      If you would like to review the proposal and staff’s current thinking, please contact Sr. Civil Engineer Yelena Voronel from this office. She may be reached at yelenav@ci.fullerton.ca.us.

      Thank you for your comments and interest in the City of Fullerton.

      Don Hoppe"

      thoughts??
      yajeflow a 41 year old

      Posted:11/03/2005

    • Trail Updatetrail was good on saturday. Tried to take the extension across brea blvd, and got lost up in the neighborhood, so i had to turn around. ooh well...

      Posted:11/02/2005

    • Trail UpdatePlanning Commission Meeting-The Planning Commission will meet at 7:00 PM on Wednesday, Nov. 9 to hear the property owner's petition for the city to abandon the property. I recall that they were going to post this notice at various trail heads. Anyway, show up at the meeting or voice your concern by writing to the Engineering Director.

      Don Hoppe - donh@ci.fullerton.ca.us

      Chances are the trail will stay open if it is approved, but you never know. The property owners could close it and force the City to take action to re-open. They have been using the property without permission for years, and the City has ignored them.

      PS-The trail is in great shape and the single track along the creek is firm and fun.


      Iguana

      Posted:10/29/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail Under Attack...-This appears to be a continuation of the abandonment proceedings initiated a few months back. There was a meeting back then, and we were supposed to be notified as to when an actual hearing was to occur. I never got anything in the mail from the city, but I too noticed the signs posted for the hearing. This is very important. My impression after the meeting was that the trail would not be closed because there needs to be access to utilities(water I think???), but the trail would be narrowed????
      Masher Mama a 38 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Red Rider... from Fullerton

      Posted:10/28/2005

    • Trail UpdateThanks For The Heads Up-I'll try to cruise by there after work today and get the phone number.

      Posted:10/28/2005

    • Trail Updategood call, lets get it done!

      Posted:10/27/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail Under Attack Again-I rode the loop backwards last week and noticed Public Hearing signs posted such that they're only visible if you ride the loop backwards.

      It's the section just west of Euclid where that new house sits to the left of the top of the short climb (Hiltscher Trail). The people living in both houses are using that portion of the trail as their private driveway and apparently want to officially make the trail their own.

      The notice gave a phone number (can someone post it?) and stated there would be a meeting on November 9th at 7pm. Looks like it's time again to let the city know we want to the trail to remain open.
      pdmoore

      Posted:10/26/2005

    • Trail UpdateExtension-Follow the directions in the message below. When you get to top of Bastanchury, make a right. Follow the trail up and through the golf course. It comes out on Skyline. Ride down Skyline to the first right (Ridgetop, I think). Take that trail down and back up to Brea Blvd. Cross Brea Blvd., go through the gate, and you're back on the Loop. I think you can also turn left on State College and get to the Craig Park trail.
      Iguana

      Posted:10/21/2005

    • Trail UpdateDC-i still ride Dead Cat. it isn't in the greatest shape but it is rideable. could use some maintenance as i have gotten a flat a couple of times but it is still do-able and still fairly challenging. i never see any other bikers there anymore. it has kind of been forgotten and it is really too short. fun both ways though and can be tough to clean your first time. also, i believe the "extension" route you are asking about would be when you exit the tunnels after the golf course, go to left and stay left towards the soccer/baseball fields (Fullerton Sports Complex) exiting the area near the dam. just stay left and take that main trail past the Sports Complex and it will take you to Brea Blvd. cross the street and continue up the hill along side Bastanchury up to St. College. trail is on the golf course side of the street.
      somelocal

      Posted:10/18/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop Extension-o.k., I've been riding the loop a while and practically know most of it. But I could use some help finding this "extension" from brea Dam over to near bastanchury and state college.

      Also, has anyone rode Dead Cat Pass recently. I rode it a year ago (and have some posts from that period). If not, then I will ride it in a couple of weeks and report back.

      Thanx! Ride...............


      Harrier a 28 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Hurricane from Whittier

      Posted:10/18/2005

    • Trail UpdateSplish, Splash, That's The Place-I was walking the dog late Wed. afternoon and saw about 6 riders go through the yellow tape and past the signs that say "Warning! Raw Sewage" and through the puddles. Real smart. Sewage for brains.

      It might be cleaned up by now, but the city moves slowly. I'm sure there is some unsanitary mud left behind. Ride with caution.
      Iguana a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Roto-rooter from Fullerton

      Posted:10/14/2005

    • Trail UpdateYuck...-Are your referring to the singletrack that runs along the in between Euclid and the trail that runs parallel to the courthouse?

      That's not good at all. Thanks for headsup though. I'm taking a newbie on a ride on Saturday and will be sure to steer clear of that. That wouldn't make for a good first ride. Thanks.

      ALSO: Watch out for Pepe Lepew. Went out before dawn on Saturday and going down Mormon Hill and something jumped out in front of me, heading straight down the trail. Got within 10 feet of it before I realized it was a skunk and hat it's tail straight up. Wheww, almost got real stinky, real fast. Gotta give those guys their distance.

      Ride on!
      a 25 year old riding a Lance from La Habra

      Posted:10/14/2005

    • Trail UpdateRaw Sewage On The Trail-The single track through Hiltcher Park (on the way to Euclid) is closed at the bridge. Those puddles you have been riding through were raw sewage. Nice, eh?

      Makes me wonder where that slop down by the rail road tracks is coming from.

      The rest of the trails are in pretty good shape. Have a nice ride and remember to disinfect yourself at the end.


      Iguana a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a American Standard from Fullerton

      Posted:10/12/2005

    • Trail Updatetheres a new cycling website that started up last month.

      feel free to check it out

      http://thecyclingforum.com/

      Posted:10/07/2005

    • Trail UpdateTimes-You can post your times and see loop times here:
      http://geoladders.com/overview.php

      There's also times for other SoCal trails.
      MPx3 a Weekend Warrior riding a really old Kona

      Posted:10/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateHappy Trails...-Rode the full loop after work yesterday 10-5-05. The area under Harbor is really rough now and still wet in spots, but fun.

      Finally timed myself for the full loop at 1:11:56. What are everyone times? I'm guessing much better than this because I saw a 40ish guy fly past me going uphill. Man that guy was haulin!! I've heard the fastest the loop has been done is in about 45 minutes. I guess my time is slow but i'm hopin' to get in better shape anyway since my bike is upwards of 30 pounds. Anyway, get out and ride- it's beautiful right now!
      Lance a 25 year old riding a MC Rumble from La Habra

      Posted:10/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop Rules-Hey Guys, let's get back to the trail. This is the most used inter-city trail in O.C. and were are all really lucky to have it in our own backyards. Ride the loop and enjoy. Write about the loop and enjoy.

      Please see terms of use concerning our postings.
      Crash Collins a 43 year old Racer riding a Chumba from Chino Hills

      Posted:10/03/2005

    • Trail UpdateAbout Time-Even though this cracker is probably full of doodoo,I wish there were some folks out there who would actually take down some of these friggin vandals. I'm thinkin M-14 at 100yds, shot down like any other bothersome vermin, and left to stink the place up. Then his mama can be on the 5 oclock cryin bout what a good boy he was an how she can't figure out why someone would do this to her little precious. I'm thinkin 1st offense, smash right hand with sledge hammer, leave in the desert nekid. 2nd offense, smash both hands with hammer, leave in desert nekid. 3rd offense, 2 weeks with my ex-wife, that'll fix em good!
      Mikeypoo a 35 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Turner I stole from a cracker from Compton

      Posted:10/02/2005

    • Trail UpdateLOL Jojo. . .-doesn't carrying a concealed weapon make you a F*CKING CRIMINAL? stay in bellflower. . . you hippocrate. now i don't think anyone here wants you on or around the trail. you're worse than the fucking taggers. this guy carries a gun on a suburban mountain bike/shared use trail. . . it's sad that you can't defend yourself without one and feel the need to carry one everywhere you go. . . even when MTBing amongst elderly people walking, school kids, the occasional "tagger" and fellow MTBers. HAHAHA. . . this guy is so worked up now that someone here said some shit to him that he is going so far as to put a description of himself so we can all see who the BIGGEST idiot on the loop is. . . HAHAHA. . . damn, you're a super genious. i wonder who the cops would rather bust? the guy with the concealed weapon and a pocket full of zip ties or the high school kid with a spraycan? wait until you try those tactics on some of the local asian or hispanic gangbangers. . . not that i am pushing for any violence but you need to be humbled. . . do us all a favor and stay away from the trails around here, you're not welcome
      a local riding a SC Bullit with a gun in my pocket IDOIT!

      Posted:10/01/2005

    • Trail UpdateI agree that taggers and their vandalism are not among the legitimate users of the trails, like hikers or bikers. However, the only thing more idiotic than trying to justify tagging is the implied threat of bringing a gun on the trails. Screw all of you for making it all a little less nice for everyone else.

      To the taggers and the gun freaks, there will be an IMBA Take a Kid Mountain Biking ride on the loop today, Oct. 1. Don't be there.
      mantis a Weekend Warrior from Fullerton

      Posted:10/01/2005

    • Trail UpdateJust The Facts.-The fact that anyone can condone the destruction on public and private property is just another example of why good kids turn bad and start displaying "art" before going out and makin a life of bangin.

      If you accept the "insignificant" crimes, next you will be wondering why the hood is full of criminals.

      If being a responsible citizen makes me a "tuff guy" or "hero", so be it. I have already left several peaceful artist zipped to a call box on the 91. They didn't do a very good job of defending themselves against the gun pointed in their face.

      Live and let live, that’s what I say. Live your life, and don’t fck with others. But if you are destroying my property, or the property my tax dollars pay for, then you are going to get fkd hard.

      So I'll see you out there, I’ll be in the gray or brown short and white T-shirt. I ride a SC Bullet, black. Look for some zip ties hangin out my pocket, and a bulge in the left cargo pocket of my shorts.

      peace
      jojo

      Posted:09/30/2005

    • Trail UpdateThank You "a Local" ....-Pretty good explanation you dished out to the uniformed. When we would paint, we'dd find places out of the general public's eye. Mostly underneath bridges that lie in dormant river beds or flood control channels. Once in a while you'dd see the occasional fisherman walk by and they'dd say hi. Or a person who would be walking there dog, and we would stop and chat with them. To clear things up, I'm a middleclass "whiteboy" who doesn't fit your typical stereotype of writer/graff artist. The people were very friendly and often complemented us on our work. We'dd explain to them what we were painting, show them our sketches and they were so into it, it was very cool!

      To the guy with the zip-tie comment, gimmie a break bro. You are making a threat, being aggressive and demonstrating a motion to commit a violent attack on someone whom has done no harm to you what-so-ever....that doesn't seem right to me. Instead of being prejudice towards the people whom you may come across painting and automatically forming a negative opinon of them, maybe try talking to them and learning a little bit more about what they are doing. I'm sure they are much nicer and more approachable than you ever even began to think. Basically, grow up, and if you open your mind, i'm sure it won't hurt.

      Keep the rubberside down my friends.

      Posted:09/30/2005

    • Trail UpdateEasy There...-Take it easy there No Name... I've seen these guys tag under the bridge several years ago. Yes they are creative but certainly dont look like too friendly. As a matter of fact I've seen them smoking dope and drinking - doesnt really look too positive...know what I'm saying. Anyhow, it's all good... If they dont bother you, just leave them alone. If there is a problem then Fullerton PD is not too far away.

      Stay away from the heat fellas!
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a n Intense from Corona

      Posted:09/29/2005

    • Trail UpdateHey Jojo. . .-man you need to keep those opinions to yourself "tuff guy". as far as your zip tie threats go. . . HAHAHA. . . i happen to know some of the local heads that hang out and paint at those places you mention and they won't hesitate to defend themselves should someone try to be a HERO. i suggest if you EVER see anyone painting that you just mind your own damn business and just ride on by. these "yards" have always been for the creative kids that wanted to stay out of the real trouble that gangbanging leads to. and as an alternative to gangbanging it can be looked at as a positive outlet. the location of these "yards" was unknown to most people outside of the grafitti world before MTBing became popular in Fullerton. they were there before you were riding on those trails. i have been riding the trails since the 80's on my BMX, i know. i can almost bet you are one of those spandex/lycra wearing stiffs that protests any jumps or stunts or any other forms of creativity that might pop up at your favorite trails. . . you might want to try and learn how to share and respect the locals whether they are riding, walking, painting or whatever. disrespecting local heads is bad for your health. . .
      a local

      Posted:09/29/2005

    • Trail UpdateNo Biggie,-Just destruction of public property.
      and it makes you F**KING CRIMINAL.
      And if I ever catch you, you will be zip tied to a tree or upside down from a bridge.
      jojo a 35 year old Die-hard Enthusiast from Belfower CA

      Posted:09/27/2005

    • Trail UpdateIf it is tagging, then yeah, it can look ugly. If it is a "piece" then no, it can be beautiful. I used to write, tag/piece/bomb and i've seen some decent stuff under that bridge. I'd rather see a piece that someone spent hours to do rathern than a drab gray wall. Its under a bridge, out of most of the general publics eye.....not that big of a deal is it?

      Posted:09/26/2005

    • Trail UpdateLookin Good...-Well...finally got the bike assembled and hit the trail Saturday 9-24-05 in the morning. Trail is in great shape. Loop is fast and sand is at a minimal.

      Tagging, behind the dam and under the Harbor overpass, is at a maximum. Idiots. Makes everything look so ugly.
      Lance a 25 year old riding a MC Rumble from La Habra, CA

      Posted:09/26/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail Maintenance...-Good thing about this trail is the maintenace crew is always fixing things for better or for worse. Guess it's how you look at it. Most the large ruts and gulleys have been fileed in and the sand is minimal compared to what it was before.

      Now's a good time to get a fast loop run in! I've been running this part but my new frame just came and I'll be loopin' by Friday. Weather is perfect this week so get out there and enjoy!
      a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a MC Rumble from La Habra, CA

      Posted:09/13/2005

    • Trail UpdateEye Glasses Found-Someone left a pair of eye glasses on he back of a White Nissan Titan on Thursday August 11th evening. Please reply to this Posting if these belong to you.

      Posted:08/27/2005

    • Trail UpdateSandy...-Trail is Sandy and plowwed. Most of any of the littel jumps or bumps are gone after the plowing of the downhills near Mormon Hill. It's cooled down a bit the last couple days though so hit it!

      Hellooooo...this trail is in the middle of the city. Not much room for singletrack, but it's a good ride anyway. Enjoy.
      Lance a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a '04 MC Rumble - from La Habra

      Posted:08/03/2005

    • Trail UpdateAnybody Have A Chainsaw Handy?-A huge eucalyptus tree busted and fell on the trail below Parks Jr high.

      Posted:07/31/2005

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop...-I was gonna write something defending it, but I don't want things to get too crowded.
      CT a 35 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel from OC

      Posted:07/20/2005

    • Trail UpdateEroded And Dry-This trail is okay if you're a local looking for a quick sweat. I wouldnt' recommend it for anyone that has to travel to get to it.

      The trail winds through the local community, behind houses, on city streets, along side RR and behind a golf course.

      There is very little "true" singel track.

      With a few (very few exceptions) I'd rate the trail for novices.
      JIVARO a 32 year old

      Posted:07/19/2005

    • Trail Updateyeah! please build some more jumps along the trail. oh and some more woodwork too.
      konaboy23 a 19 year old Racer riding a kona stinky primo from brea

      Posted:06/23/2005

    • Trail UpdateI'M BACK & THE LOOP RULES-After a year and a half of touring California, the loop sure feels good. Out of all of So.Cal's riding areas I missed the Loop the most. It's hard to beleive such a cool ride sits in the middle of Fullerton. However, if you feel like building some jumps you wont here the Thursday night group complain. Build away. After the recent plowing we're missing quite a few. Like the stadium jumps along the fence line after Hospital Hill. The variations coming down from the Top Of The World need a little work too.
      Saturday, July 9th I'll be at the Top Of The World (Ron's Ridge)doing some work. Come join me for some trash pick up and trail restoration. Also, come out and join the ride on Thursday nights @ 6:30. We usually go out for Sushi after the ride.


      Crash Collins a 43 year old Racer riding a Chumba from Chino Hills E-mail: david@martinic-eng.com

      Posted:06/23/2005

    • Trail UpdateWildlife-Anyone else seen more lately? In three rides on Saturday, Sunday and Monday I have seen two coyotes (in three years of riding I had never seen one), multiple snakes and a vulture. Interesting that there are so many animals out now. Maybe it was the rains making living easier for all (except mountain bikers)? Trail-wise things are still looking pretty good except for a few sand patches that keep getting bigger and the grading took the challenge out of some of the uphills. Keep the rubber side down.
      The Flying M a Cross-Country Rider from Fullerton

      Posted:06/20/2005

    • Trail UpdateSo Called New Dirt-Just to ease your mind the new soil being placed on the trail is not from the lake. The lake excavation has not even begun yet. The soil was from the new pond dig outs. It has a high clay content to it for better erosion control. (No Duck Poo) I found this out by stopping and asking the crew that was doing the work on the trails. By the way thanks to all the guys that are doing all this work. Keep up the good work!
      justaryder a 43 year old Die-hard Enthusiast from fullerton

      Posted:06/20/2005

    • Trail UpdateBuffoon Squad-"trail etiquette buffoons... - so I'm heading toward the climb at the top of Parks Rd this afternoon and there are a couple of guys hanging at the bottom curb taking a breather. As I approach they suddenly become motivated and get on the path ahead of me. As I pass one of the kooks he calls out "how 'bout an 'on your right'"? Do they bread these retards locally? Let people play through, especially if you can see them coming and you are stopped. riding a banana seat stingray with sissy bar from sunny ridge '77"

      You must be one of these discourteous riders I see on the trail all the time. I ride 60 to 75 miles a week on this trail, and many times have kids with me. Trying to teach them proper trail etiquette while people like you don't have any is hard to do. Maybe you were just brought up that way. You're obviously an inconsiderate golfer by the "play through" line, and can't even spell "breed" right. "77" must mean your at least 40 years old... Grow up! A simple bell might be what you need. Don't be surprised if you get bumped off the trail some day though.
      McGyver a 100 year old Downhiller riding a Intense M3 from the edge of insanity

      Posted:06/18/2005

    • Trail UpdateSo Called New Dirt-Is it just me, or does the new dirt on the trail from Rosecrans to Gilbert look like the dirt they excavated from Laguna Lake!!! My friend has lived there all of his life and says that the dirt in Laguna Lake is many years of run-off and DUCK TIRD. If it is, that is really disgusting.
      noirb74 a 30 year old Downhiller riding a P.O.S. from Antartica

      Posted:06/10/2005

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-too bad someone destroyed that little bridge drop
      it added some nice flavor to the loop. I guess people can't handle it. loop is getting dusty and loose
      ride free
      bungle

      Posted:06/10/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail Etiquette Buffoons...-You think you have problems with other riders. I was actually chased and threatened by a psyco lady on horseback after I came upon her blocking about ten MTB riders and screaming at them. She wouldn't let me by but when I did get around she turned on me screaming "You're going to get hurt...I'm coming after you!!!" Man, I could hear those galloping hoofs and I hightailed it.
      Frank Kip a Weekend Warrior riding a Birthday Bike

      Posted:06/09/2005

    • Trail UpdateFat?-I'm not fat, I'm just big boned!
      BikerJustin a 31 year old

      Posted:06/09/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail Etiquette Buffoons...-so I'm heading toward the climb at the top of Parks Rd this afternoon and there are a couple of guys hanging at the bottom curb taking a breather. As I approach they suddenly become motivated and get on the path ahead of me. As I pass one of the kooks he calls out "how 'bout an 'on your right'"?
      Do they bread these retards locally?
      Let people play through, especially if you can see them coming and you are stopped.

      riding a banana seat stingray with sissy bar from sunny ridge '77

      Posted:06/08/2005

    • Trail UpdateLoop Route-I found a "directions" for the loop - check it out if you like. http://efgh.com/bike/fullertonloop.htm

      CT a 35 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel from CA

      Posted:06/08/2005

    • Trail UpdateTime-120 minutes? You must be really fat.

      Posted:06/08/2005

    • Trail Updatewhats everyones time on the full loop ? mine is around 120:00

      Posted:06/07/2005

    • Trail UpdateIn addition, since we all spend a lot of time on the trails, and in the wilderness it is probably a good idea to learn what type of snakes we have in the area.
      If you were ever to get bit it would good to know what type of snake it was. Just remember that the only venemous snakes in this area will have a rattle on it's tail.
      dookie a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:06/07/2005

    • Trail UpdateYes that is correct red on black, good for Jack, but you shouldn't be seeing either Coral snakes or California Moutain Kings in this area. Possibly just a Cal King wich only has black and white, or brown and yellow bands no red.
      dookie a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:06/06/2005

    • Trail UpdateRed Black-Its red and black venom lack red and yellow kills a fellow
      jeykllrider a 35 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a cannondale jeykll 1000 from chino hills

      Posted:06/03/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail Route-CT you're definetely right there is about a million ways to ride this trail and so many choices at the forks, which would the best thing about this trail and the worst thing about it too, because its extremely easy for a biginner to get lost. When I first started riding this trail about 3 years ago (before moving from OC) I too couldn't find my way, what helped me was downloading a topo map, buying a "Biking Orange County" book and asking people on the trail if I could tag along, most were ok with this, eventhough I was slower than them at the time. I would suggest to anyone who is a biginner, to this trail that is, to try and tag along with someone, because people who have ridden this trail can truely show you the trails caveats. Once you learn the route and if you ride it often enough (I rode it about 4 days a week during spring and summer) you won't forget it, I still remember the route after a year and a half of beign in San Diego and Tijuana, Mex. every chance I get to come up to OC I get a good run on this trail. I has a lot to offer once you get familiar with it. Happy Trails!
      mtbcruisin a 24 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a 2004 Giant NRS 1 from San Diego, CA / Tijuana, Mexico

      Posted:06/02/2005

    • Trail UpdateMonday 30th-went yesterday, weather was great! still wish someone would complete the wood planks up by the dam.
      ibex a 100 year old

      Posted:05/31/2005

    • Trail UpdateWhat Is The Route Of The "loop"?-I rode the loop for the first time today and was a bit confused - It seemed like there's 2 or three different choices at every fork in the road - what's the "official" loop route? (or at least the best?)

      Thanks,
      CT a 35 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a hardtail from OC

      Posted:05/30/2005

    • Trail Updaterode the trail late in the afternoon today. Its in pretty good shape, as there has been a ton of recent trail work done. Thanks to all. It looks good.
      a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:05/30/2005

    • Trail UpdateRed Touch Black, Good For Jack-black touch yellow, kill a fellow.
      ...or was it the other way around?
      ..most likely California King Snakes (non-venomous).

      snakehandler

      Posted:05/30/2005

    • Trail UpdateSnakes...-So, in the last two weeks i've seen two snakes on the loop. The first was black and had yellow stipes running across it's body. I almost ran over his tail but it really got my heart pumping. Whew!

      The second I saw on Tuesday 5-24-05 while running up Mormon Hill. This one was about 4-5 feet in length and about as thick as the toptube on my bike. I was running with my head down and didn't see it until I was on top of it- note to self: run with head up. Jumped over it and turned around about 15 steps further down. Tossed a couple pebbles at it just to see if it had a rattle, but it just sat there. Not sure what kind but it didn't seem to be a rattler. That's always the first thing I'm thinking when I see a snake. Anyway, look out for those snakes and try not to run' em over!

      The trail is dry and rougher than i've seen it in a couple years, but that just makes it more fun right?
      Lance a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Weyless67 from La Habra, CA

      Posted:05/27/2005

    • Trail UpdateNote To Slef: Stop Flashing-on Friday
      wonhunglo riding a schwinn stingray with sissy bar

      Posted:05/25/2005

    • Trail UpdateUpdate...-Rode the loop on 5/21. Area behind the dam looks like a tornado went through there, but trail maintenance cleaned it up nicely. Rest of the loop is in great shape. Everything is pretty much all dried up. Have fun.
      Lance a 25 year old riding a Weyless from La Habra, CA

      Posted:05/23/2005

    • Trail UpdateFlasher Sightings-Both times it has been on a friday between 10am and noon.
      freerider45

      Posted:05/22/2005

    • Trail UpdateRE: Flasher Sitings-Both sitings have been on a Friday between 10am and noon.
      freerider45

      Posted:05/22/2005

    • Trail UpdateNot Pretty...-The trail is in good condition. The hill by the dam is overgrown and rutted. Other than that, there lies the remains of half of a terrier near Tree Park. If you're squeamish, don't look at it. Any one know what happened to it? Coyote????
      Vince a 30 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Gary Fisher Tassajara from Cerritos

      Posted:05/22/2005

    • Trail UpdateRe: Flasher Sightings...-What time of day do you ride? I am a woman and I frequently ride alone but usually in the AM. What part of the trail did you see this guy on??
      Masher Mama a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:05/21/2005

    • Trail UpdateFlasher!-I have encounterd a flasher on the trail twice in the past month. This guys stops and gets off his bike when he see's someone behind him and flashes you as you pass him by! He seems to be in his thirties, kind of stocky guy with short hair, cartoon tattoos on his arm and wears a red shirt and black shorts (that eventually come off). He rides a silver and black Trek. Beware if you see him in case you ride with women or children! Has anyone else came accross this guy!!
      freerider45

      Posted:05/18/2005

    • Trail UpdateLinking To Craig Park-I'm not exactly sure where the trail is in Craig Park but the closest the loop comes to the park is the intersection of State College and Bastanchury. A couple hundred yards after the tunnels, a bridle trail links from the left. This takes you past a park up to Brea Blvd. Cross Brea and make a left onto the bridle trail and follow it right onto Bastanchury. This trail takes you up near the intersection of State College and Bastanchury. Make a left onto State College to get to Craig park which is on your right. However, I think the trail segment in Craig park is near the dam. In that case, continue on Bastanchury and go down the other side of the hill. Make a left onto Associated and you'll see the dam on the left. Good Luck!
      BikerJustin a 31 year old

      Posted:05/16/2005

    • Trail UpdateDirections??-anyone know how to link the loop with the annex at craig park?

      thanks
      a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:05/16/2005

    • Trail UpdateRe: "Closure"-
      I have attached relevant portions of my recent e-mail communication with, and the response from the Director of Engineering for the City of Fullerton, Don Hoppe:

      E-Mail:

      'Word is that a petition to close a segment of the Fullerton trail system has been submitted to the City. It is the section West of Hiltscher Park, between Euclid and Valley View. It is a short and somewhat obscure section, but it is critical in terms of its contribution to the “Fullerton Loop”. If closed, it would disrupt the “Loop” significantly. An increase in pedestrian/bike/horse traffic along a busy and dangerous section of Euclid would result in order to bypass this section (as opposed to the simple crossing that exists now).

      I suspect that you may have received many concerned calls regarding this alleged petition, but, assuming it is true, I felt the need to draw attention to it as well, so that this matter is seriously considered before any decisions are made.'

      Response:

      'There appears to be some well intentioned, but misinformation regarding the loss of this “Fullerton Loop” connection.
      The property owner adjacent to the existing “paper” street west of Euclid has indeed applied for an abandonment of the roadway.
      Staff is in the middle of the review process and has scheduled a neighborhood information meeting for June 1st at 6:00 pm in the City Council Chamber.
      It is clear that a portion of the dedicated, but not improved roadway, is currently being used for public access as you noted below. In addition, the City’s water utility has an active water main running through this area. If staff recommends approval of the abandonment it would only be with the caveat that a substantial portion of the right of way be rededicated for utility and recreational trail purposes.

      If you have any other questions, please contact me via email or at 714.738.6850

      I hope that you will be able to share this information with the other users of this trail and assure them that it is not the City’s intention to sever the “Fullerton Loop”'
      Old Goat, a too-many- year old Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:05/14/2005

    • Trail UpdateProposed Closure-I rode the trail last night and saw the signs posted and just got off the phone with Yelena. She said that while there is a lot of opposition this will still be brought up before the city council on June 1st. The meeting starts at 6pm and is at 303 W. Commonwealth. Spread the word and keep the trail open!
      pdmoore

      Posted:05/13/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail Summit...-If anybody's interested, please attend. This is important especially given the previous posts about closures. Please see the earlier post for further info.
      Masher Mama

      Posted:05/11/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail At Euclid...-Do you mean at the dirt parking lot where the loop crosses Euclid?

      If you go north from that lot, you'll cross Bastanchury and can follow the RR tracks to the right to hook up with the loop where it heads towards the golf course. Or you can follow the RR tracks to the left and hook up with the loop where it passes the 4H club.

      Or you can keep following Euclid north until you pick up the loop just past Rosecrans and continue on to Laguna Lake.

      There's a hidden trail just south of Bastanchury on the east side of Euclid. You drop in to it and follow a wash behind some horse properties, follow a street, turn right back onto the trail and eventually connect back up to the main court house trail. This one's usually pretty overgrown and I don't ride it much since I always seem to catch a thorn in a tire and have to buy a new tube when I do.
      pdmoore

      Posted:05/11/2005

    • Trail Update#854
      Trail at Euclid... - There's a trail that starts at Euclid (on the right as you head towards Bastanchury) Does this connect to the Loop?
      CT a Cross-Country Rider riding a Specialized Hardtail from OC
      Posted on 05-11-05

      If you are coming south on Euclid heading towards Bastanchury there is a trail to the right and it is part of the loop. I believe its just after a church. This would mean you are doing the loop counterclockwise and most people do it the other way. Its a free country so if you want to do it that way go ahead.

      Posted:05/11/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail At Euclid...-There's a trail that starts at Euclid (on the right as you head towards Bastanchury) Does this connect to the Loop?
      CT a Cross-Country Rider riding a Specialized Hardtail from OC

      Posted:05/11/2005

    • Trail UpdateProposed Closure-I talked to the jogger posting the signs on Sunday and called City Hall on Monday. The lady in the Engineering Dept. said she was swamped with e-mails and with that kind of opposition, she did not think it would go very far.

      It's one homeowner who wants the trail abandoned so they can have the property for their use. It's not likely because there has to be an easement for an existing water line and high pressure gas line that take up a lot of the space. The City is researching the issue, as they have to whenever they get such a request whether it is feasible to rational thinking people or not.

      It has not yet been scheduled for a public hearing and may not go that far thanks to strong opposition from trail users. For more information, contact Yelena Voronell in the Engineering Dept. or Becky Stevens in Development Services 738-6547.

      That would make for a nasty detour if it is closed.
      Rudy riding a Trek from Fullerton

      Posted:05/10/2005

    • Trail UpdateProposed Section Closure-I just rode the loop today and I saw a posted sign that read that there were some homeowners that were petitioning the city to close access between Euclid and Valley View. If I'm not mistaken this only includes the "wicked little hill." Anyway, has anyone heard of this and does anyone have any details??
      Speedracer a 34 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Mad Dawg from Fullerton

      Posted:05/09/2005

    • Trail UpdateAnybody Doin' The Bonelli Race??-Is anyone from the loop doin' the Bonelli Race???
      and if so, Where can I find out what the course is???
      I've heard it's pretty much a "Beginner" layout...
      Has anyone done this race before???
      Thanks in advance, Hope to see you out there!!!
      Roger79 a 44 year old

      Posted:05/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateThe Bitches Are Back!!!-The five bitches are back on the loop and look great!
      Thanks to ALL who continue to work all over the course.

      Roger79 a 44 year old riding a Santa Cruz Blur from 2Wheeler Dealer

      Posted:05/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop + Annex-
      can someone please post a map or something including the loop and the annex???

      i know the loop well, but how can i link it to craig park?

      thanks
      a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:05/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateAnnex It. Ted Craig Park-YUP, this is behind the Fullerton Dam.

      If anyone is interested I can be there this Sunday (Iknow it is Mothers day) late in the afternoon to do some more trail work and gooming.

      I can bring the tools. You bring the ideas. and energy to do some trail work.

      lemme know if you are interested 714-973-3181.

      Volunteers did a bunch of work last Friday, and more today. (thanks Richard!) looking good.

      See you Mothers day if you can make it. How does 4:00ish to 7:00PM sound?


      Ranger Tom .com

      Posted:05/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateSo, Craig Park is on the corner of Imperial Highway and State College? By the Brea Mall. How does that connect up with the Fullerton Loop?

      I'm guessing you can head east from behind Brea Dam, cross Brea Blvd and then ride to the top of Bastanchury & State College then follow State College north? Weird...
      pdmoore

      Posted:05/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park Address-
      Craig Regional Park
      3300 State College Blvd.
      Fullerton, CA 92835
      (714)973-3180


      a Die-hard Enthusiast URL: http://www.ocparks.com/craigpark/

      Posted:05/04/2005

    • Trail UpdateTed Craig Park Aka Rosecrans-park is along rosecrans between McCall toxic waste dump (sunny ridge rider parking spot) and Beach Blvd / hwy 39. The softball diamonds are on the north side of Rosecrans beside the the new fire station. I believe the trails they speak of are up yonder...
      What I wanna know is are there any fences left along the old chevron property line? Would I be trespassing up there?
      sunny ridge settler '77 a 37 year old Weekend Warrior riding a G Fisher

      Posted:05/03/2005

    • Trail UpdateThanks, but WHERE on the loop is Ted Craig park? Is it near Laguna Lake? Near the golf course? Near the Chevron area? Where the heck is it?
      bretdee

      Posted:05/03/2005

    • Trail UpdateURL / Link To What They Are Doin-http://www.ocparks.com/newsroom/default.asp?Show=1001096&subshow=A

      I'm trying to find time to come out, I think anyone that uses should contribute!
      Phil a 61 year old riding a Santa Cruz from La Mirada

      Posted:05/03/2005

    • Trail UpdateWhere On The Loop Is Ted Craig?-Where is this section of the loop? I rode here sunday and found a cool "northshore" ladder on the section where you head down towards harbor into the golf course parking lot, kudos to whoever built that.
      bretdee

      Posted:05/03/2005

    • Trail UpdateLOOP-I want to help build trails, not new homes
      bungle

      Posted:05/02/2005

    • Trail UpdateFully Loopy Loop-"do I need to bring anything? digging tools etc?"

      Dynamite, TNT, detcord, blasting caps, and remote triggers will be required. When we're done, there wont be a cactus inside a 20 mile radius.
      Thanks for offering!

      Posted:05/02/2005

    • Trail UpdateFully Loopy Loop-do I need to bring anything? digging tools etc?
      bungle

      Posted:04/29/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam/Craig Park Trails-Tom - We're there, see ya at 5.
      Troy

      Posted:04/29/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop Annex-Friday, 4/29 from 5 pm to 7PM we will be designing and working on the single track trail in Ted Craig Park.

      Meet in the Dirt over-flow parking lot down by the ball fields.

      we need some bodies to make this work.

      will be fun to.


      hope to c u there.

      ranger tom

      Posted:04/28/2005

    • Trail UpdateCrazy Pedestrians...-rode the loop on 4-25. trails are nice, but on mormon hill, watch out for the big sand patch and pedestrians sitting in fold-up chairs in the middle of the trail! this pair was just sitting in one of the speediest sections of trail. They also had their rottweiler running off its leash across the trail. I would have had a few choice words for the two (one was jumping through the bushes while the other stared at me bearing down on her) but i was preoccupied with the dog, which was looking a little jumpy (it proceeded to chase my dad, who came down the hill five minutes later). Anyway, moral of the story is, keep the speed down and watch out for walkers that are sitting in the middle of the trail.
      The Flying M a Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 80 from Fullerton

      Posted:04/26/2005

    • Trail UpdateHour And 4?-A good time for most is about and hour to an hour and 5 minutes. A great time is 48 to 50 minutes. U'sta do (1) backward and (1) forward back to back in plus or minus 1:40, Thats pretty decent trail conditions and the second lap at dark and included extra credit bothways. There was a small group that pulled this off weekly.

      Keep working

      clancy a 44 year old Racer riding a intense, K2, K2, K2, R/L SS, Phophet, Kona from Norco

      Posted:04/26/2005

    • Trail UpdateRegional Trail Summit...-Just picked up the latest Fullerton Observer and in the "EVENTS" section there is a listing for a Regional Trail Summit happening Tuesday May 17 at 7pm at the La Habra Community Center. Hikers, bikers, Equestrians, etc are all invited to attend. RSVP to Robert Dale at 562-697-8953. I plan to attend and I think it's a good idea to have some biker representation.
      Masher Mama a 37 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Turner 02

      Posted:04/26/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail...-Aww Crap!!! Stupid rain ruins everything. Lot's of puddles going under Harbor again. Come one sun, do your thing.

      As for the "on your right" thing. I didn't even know that was common practice until I read this site. Good to post it though for newer viewers. Thanks.
      Lance a 25 year old riding a Wey67 from La Habra, CA

      Posted:04/25/2005

    • Trail UpdateHello! On Your Right......-Remember while you are trying to clock your best time that this is a multi-use trail. Let others know you are coming. Don't be a jerk like the clown who passed me and some hikers yesterday. People will usually say "Thanks" if you let them know you are coming up behind them.

      I think it is more ignorance than outright rudeness on the part of some riders. Show some courtesy so we don't get complaints from the hikers and horse people. Yeah, as if those riders even read this site.
      Rudy a Die-hard Enthusiast from Fullerton

      Posted:04/23/2005

    • Trail UpdateSHUT UP AND RIDE!-I would have guessed it was raining out there ??? must be PMS!!!!!
      Mr Bonk a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:04/23/2005

    • Trail UpdateRegarding Supercuj--supercuj: obviously you need to read the original post, and i think it would help you comprehend the intent....

      Whats your point anyway? If I do the race in bonelli next month I'll know what a decent loop time is?? Does not make sense to me????

      roger79: nice times, thats where I'd like to be, around 45:00- 50:00
      a Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:04/22/2005

    • Trail UpdateHe Was Just Curious...-No point in the original posting... You should read the the guy's original posting, he was just curious of other rider's times when riding a loop.
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a n Intense Tracer from Corona

      Posted:04/22/2005

    • Trail UpdateRegarding Loop Times-I'm not sure of the point of the question ... if you want to see your speed against other quality riders, do a race ... check active or teambigbear.com.

      Post race, you'll see your time and everybody elses.

      FYI there's a race at Bonelli next month. If you haven't done one of these, just don't be too shell shocked how many fast 40+ people out there ...
      supercuj a 40 year old Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:04/22/2005

    • Trail UpdateQuick Loop...-My fastest loop time is 47:50... NO KIDDING, Don't believe me, Let's go take a lap. Usually I'm at about 50 min. it ALL depends on traffic and signals /intersections, etc.
      Maybe somday I'll see a sub 45 min. loop... who knows?
      roger79 a 44 year old Racer riding a SC Blur from 2 wheeler dealer from Yorba Linda

      Posted:04/22/2005

    • Trail UpdateLoop Time...-I used to have a Kona Roast and was able to do the full loop in just over 1 hour 10min(including behind the dam). Now I have a heavy weyless 67 freeride bike so more like 1 hour 40min.

      Side Note: Some awesome trail maintenance people fixed under the Harbor by the railroad tracks and actually used huge railroad logs to patch the trail up in parts. Think it might be ready to go.


      Lance a 25 year old riding a Weyless67 from La Habra, CA

      Posted:04/22/2005

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop Time...-rode the entire loop today, took me 1 hr & 20 minutes...

      Posted:04/22/2005

    • Trail UpdateBest Loop Time--
      19 minutes???? What are you riding, a kawasaki????
      a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:04/21/2005

    • Trail UpdateBest Loop Time-about 19 minutes and change.
      I had to go really bad.

      Posted:04/21/2005

    • Trail UpdateRide Partner? (lol)-1:04 is generally what I finish at doing the entire loop. Although recently aftr the rains the trail is a little shorter - less golf course. So time should be faster...
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a n Intense Tracer from Corona

      Posted:04/21/2005

    • Trail UpdateWhats Your Loop Time?-Frequently I find myself getting passed on the trail by riders faster than myself. I'm curious as to what the faster riders out there are doing the loop in.

      The fastest I've ridden the complete loop in is about 1:04:00, I ride the full loop, the hills, singletrack, through the dam, etc.

      Please post your times.

      thanks
      a Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:04/21/2005

    • Trail UpdateCoyotes-I've seen a couple coyotes in that area in the past few years. I've seen them come out and head towards the horse arena then run back into the trees as you get closer.
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a n Intense Tracer from Corona

      Posted:04/19/2005

    • Trail UpdateRode Up On A Coyote Yesterday-Just like the title says, I was riding on the singletrack just before Laguna Lake and rode up on a coyote. It was on the singletrack trail just before the backyard with the horse, jogging towards Laguna Lake. I came about 10 feet behind it and howled and then it moved off the trail and let me pass. I thought i was seeing things, anyways it was at about 7:20pm on sunday evening.
      Frank a 28 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a 2001 GT I drive Team from Yorba Linda

      Posted:04/18/2005

    • Trail UpdateConditions...-Rode loop on 4/15 & 4/16. Watch yourself coming down Mormon Hill. Lots of large sand patches. The weather is perfect and the loop looks great!

      Speeding tickets for bikers? How are we supposed to know what the speed limit is if we don't have bike computers? Sounds foolish to me.
      Lance a 25 year old riding a Wey6 7 from La Habra, CA

      Posted:04/18/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop Annex - Fullerton-Fullerton Dam - Craig Park

      Thanks for the help Jawbreaker!

      or, should I say, thank you very "mulch",... a small ha, ha. I know. But we did do a decent job of spreading the mulch piles along the sides of the trail. That will help to keep the mustard and thistles at bay!

      Now that you are an official Adopt a park volunteer, feel free to come out at your convenience and work on tuning up the trails. It will look sooooo good when we are done!

      More help is always welcome.

      c ya next time.

      Ranger Tom

      Posted:04/15/2005

    • Trail UpdateLOOP-Went out the other day and realy had a good time on the loop I have not been out on the trail for a long time and it was sure nice to ride. Looks like the city has done some repair and are keeping up on the trails. thanks to the Guy on the GAINT Trance who gave me a tube!

      Posted:04/14/2005

    • Trail UpdateCOPZ / $$-The motor bikes have been bought already, see post #805 link to Register article.

      RE: Driving record points...
      I once was ticketed in HB for running a red light on a beach cruiser. The moving violation ended up costing me a point on my DMV record.

      Posted:04/12/2005

    • Trail UpdateCruizing The Loop-Anyone encounter the new COPZ on the trail? Guess not because the city is short on fundz. Or maybe not? The FPD new houze cost an extra $1 mil. Nice, eh? And guess whatz in the houze? Out dated cpus that are incompatible with the rest of the state. ahhhhhh.... Need an infuzion of some quick ca$h

      Long time fullerton looper here. I been looping for 15 years +

      Also a bit of a cruizer too. If you don't know what that is, don't worry, and don't cover your eyes.

      The damn has been vry good to me (& us) since the rain has stopped. Anyone see the new single track?

      Look for tough look guy without shirt riding new GT. Middle finger up for some action!

      SHOW NO FEAR
      spinster

      Posted:04/12/2005

    • Trail UpdateJokes Right-points on your driving recor?! how about real problems like graffiti on private property and kids shooting paintballs at anything that moves
      bungle

      Posted:04/12/2005

    • Trail UpdateCops-best case scenario:
      Cops up there at night busting the under age drinkers.
      likely scenario:
      Cops up there during the day enforcing downhill bike speed limit and bikes prohibited areas (switchback at top of parks road). Riders cited will get points on driving record.

      Posted:04/12/2005

    • Trail UpdateClosed Section-Last night we rode the loop and found the trail closed at the rr tracks and along the golf course. It looks as if the city might be bringing out the heavy equipement to start on some much need trail work. Have fun and remember to say hello to the other trail users.
      carbonman a 43 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a joker from fullerton

      Posted:04/07/2005

    • Trail UpdateFurther On-When you get to Laguna Lake, go to the far end of the lake, cross the street, and you'll be on a wide, straight dirt path. Turn right, and head south, exploring the little side trails. You'll come to a bridge over a railway track: cross hte bridge and drop down a tepp little thing to your left, then follow the path along the railway track to your right, You'll go underneath Harbor Blvd, then in another hundred feet, take a sharp right up a little hill, cross the street, and the teh golf course trail to your right. Have fun.

      You might also want to check out getting a map at one of the local bike shops. I know Two Wheeler Dealer in Brea (across fromBJ's and the Brea Mall) has them. Or just go ride where you know on a Saturday morning, and follow the other cyclists.
      Mtncranker a 52 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Blur from La Mirada

      Posted:04/07/2005

    • Trail UpdateHELP!-ok well im a 15 year old guy that lives in La Mirada/Fullerton border line and loves to ride trails with my friends.... since last summer me and my friends have been riding the trails up off of Rosecrans right behind the new fire station. We have been all over there all the way to laguna lake and back plenty of times and are getting kind of bord of it! so i decided to check on the net for newer local trails to ride. i'v been hearing some good news on the trail by the court house in fullerton, but have no clue on how to get there! so could someone please help me out and tell me some good directions on how to get there from BEACH Blvd./ROSECRANS Ave. in detail!
      sean a 15 year old Die-hard Enthusiast from La Mirada

      Posted:04/06/2005

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park - Fullerton Dam-

      Ready to do some more trail work?

      Thanks to all those who came out and completed the trail gubbing!

      The new trail is complete but could use some T L C.

      I can be available to assist on Friday afternoons on 4/15 & 4/29 from 4:30 - 7:30 PM if anyone is interested in helping. Tools and training will be provided.

      let me know.

      Ranger Tom
      714-973-3181
      a Cross-Country Rider .com

      Posted:04/06/2005

    • Trail UpdateCops Good?-This should be a good thing. Maybe it will keep the riff raff away from that firepit up there and cut down on all the broken glass up there. Sounds good to me.

      Did notice the area along the railroad tracks under Harbor is looking quite dry and rideable.
      Lance a 25 year old riding a Weyless67 from La Habra

      Posted:04/06/2005

    • Trail UpdateThe Dam Area Is Dry-I rode Saturday afternoon and the trails behind the dam are dry and rideable. The two inside single tracks (near the creek) are a bit of an obstacle course, but fun. Just don't lance yourself on some of the nasty tree branches. The log bridge is intact. Other riders have been through blazing detours where the old trail got washed out. Horses created some nice craters on the outside trail ...thanks a lot.

      Some places are getting pretty overgrown, but I saw the chain gang working today on the trail from the lake.
      Rudy riding a Harley soft-tail from Fullerton

      Posted:04/02/2005

    • Trail UpdateNo April Fools Joke, Btw-off road cops...

      http://www.ocregister.com/community/fullerton_news_tribune/

      Posted:04/01/2005

    • Trail UpdateTime To Move The Old Meth Lab-From OC Register...

      Off-road police
      Officers in the city will soon be off-roading on the job, but it won't be for recreation. The department bought two off-road Suzuki DRZ400S motorcycles that will allow the patrol of the nearly 30 miles of recreational trails that wind through the city. The purchase was prompted by residents' reports of illegal activity occurring on trails behind their properties.

      Posted:04/01/2005

    • Trail Update>which route do i take to skip the golf course section
      >but end up back at the court house parking lot?

      From Laguna Lake, head down the old Red Line railbed as usual. When you cross the bridge over the railroad tracks that lead to the golf course, keep going straight.

      The railbed dead-ends at a street, jog right, then turn left onto Morelia and follow it to the light at Bastanchury. Wait for the light to change then charge the uphill portion and you're back on the railbed. Follow it out to the courthouse.
      pdm

      Posted:04/01/2005

    • Trail UpdateMinus The Golf Course-I've been wanting to get back out on the loop but have seen how tore up the golf course section is. which route do i take to skip the golf course section but end up back at the court house parking lot? thanks
      jas1086 a 99 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trents mom from Brea call center

      Posted:03/31/2005

    • Trail UpdateLoop Conditions...-Rode loop yesterday(minus the golf course section behind the damn). The trail is really fun right now. The downhills are more challenging as is most every other part of the trail. The drainage ditches up in the singletrack in coyote hills are cleaned out so watch out you don’t run into one or you’ll be eatin ground.

      Don’t forget to say hi to hikers/bikers/horsepeople. I’ve lately noticed a lot of people that don’t even acknowledge you when passing by. A little “Hi” goes a long way to keep the tension down between everyone. Have fun out there- the weather is perfect!

      Lance a 25 year old riding a Weyless67 from La Habra

      Posted:03/31/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam / Craig Park-Well Wow is all I can say,

      3 of us showed up to start this project.
      We cut about 60 yards of fresh new single track.

      More work to do, so don't be shy, come out and get your upper body work out.

      Sunday, 3/20 is good. The proposed trail is flagged and you will be able to see what we began, you can continue the fine work for a few more feet or an hour, or whatever.

      When we are finished this should be a nice skills practice area with several single-track trails.


      Ranger Tom

      714-973-3181
      ra

      Posted:03/19/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam / Craig Park-If no rain the trail building project is a go!

      Even with a little drizzle we will still go for it!

      If an umbrella is needed we will cancel and re-schedule.

      Bring snack, drink and work gloves if you have them.


      Ride distance: 1/2mile Elevation change:
      Singletrack=50%
      Ranger Tom .com

      Posted:03/17/2005

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park Trail Work-Hey All,
      Man I haven't posted here in ages, looks like you are all up to the same no good schtuff as before. Fun stuff!
      In regards to the trail building efforts scheduled for this weekend at Craig Regional Park; rain is in the forecast, are there plans to reschedule this?
      In light of all weather we've had this year, it will be nice to build some new trails, because others will never be the same.
      Looking forward to it.
      Cheers!
      elvisonatrekfuel a 32 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek Liquid from Brea

      Posted:03/15/2005

    • Trail UpdateLoop De Loop...-If you are going over the bridge and about to take the left to go under Harbor, do everyone a favor and keep going straight until you hit Bastanchury and connect in with the trail. That part of the trail east of Harbor doesn't look like it will be ready for a long time.

      Anyway- trail update. Oh yes...If the trail was for beginners for it is now for novices. The rain put a lot of ruts in the trail. Rode the trail on 3-11-05 and it was suprisingly sandy in a lot of places. Overall the loop is more challenging and still a good ride. Get out there and enjoy!
      Lance a 25 year old riding a Weyless67

      Posted:03/14/2005

    • Trail UpdateWilier Spell Right-Hey dude, I think you meant mud not "nud" golf not "glof" and for not "ofr." Oh yeah, you forgot the "h" in "Bastancury." I'm just messing with you man but people are more likely to take you seriously if you spell right. And you're 32, dang. Ok everyone listen up because I guess nobody has heard this one ever before...
      DO NOT RIDE ON THE TRAILS IF THEY ARE MUDDY!!
      c-ya
      Professor Dumbledorf a 100 year old Downhiller riding a Nimbus 2000

      Posted:03/09/2005

    • Trail UpdateWhat's Rideable - What's Not-I attempted to ride the whole loop today. Basically east of Euclid around Laguna Lake all the way to the tunnels after the glof course are not rideable. If you enjoy the nud and tearing up the trails even more, then go ofr it. Normal people who care about the trail should not go there. I did not go through the tunnels after the seeing what the glof course looked like. Tunnels were flooded still with at least a foot of water going through. I took a short cut up to Bastancury (right over the bridges) and down Harbor to the court house. The rest of the loop is in pretty good shape and I had no problems with mud, ruts, or anything else. Some kind souls have even gone through and filled in some of the major ruts. TY!!! Anyways - They are fixing up the glof course area - so I'd recommend staying away for a while.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=45% Dirt Road=40% Paved Path=15%
      wilier a 32 year old Racer riding a Trek OCLV - STP Soft-tail from Fullerton

      Posted:03/08/2005

    • Trail UpdateWow...-Walked the trail under the bridge on Harbor and got a look at the golf course part of the trail. The golf course itself is quite a sight. The last 200 yards of the course to the two tunnels is destroyed. There is about a 1 foot thick layer of mud all over the course down there. From what I could see the trail didn't look to good either.

      Under the bridge is still very wet. Saw several bikers going through and had to carry their bikes across. Give it time people. Be patient!
      Lance a 25 year old riding a Weyless67 from La Habra, CA

      Posted:02/28/2005

    • Trail UpdatePeople Are Riding-Some parts are ridebale, some are not. The area behind the dam definitely is not. The water has drained, but a muddy quagmire remains. Hiltcher park isn't too bad as long you don't dump yourself in one of the ditches. The trail to the lake is okay with several avoidable puddles.

      I haven't checked the trail on the west side of Euclid yet. The City says it's in bad shape.
      Homer a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Swamp Buggy from Fullerton

      Posted:02/26/2005

    • Trail UpdateUpdated Link-This is the correct URL to Fullerton's trail press release. URL: http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/city_manager/pressreleases/rain.html

      Posted:02/23/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail Condition Update-FYI,

      As you are probably aware, the Fullerton Trail System has numerous areas of damage due to the record amounts of rain we have received. Please refrain from using the trails after heavy rain in order to minimize damage to the riding surface. We have attached the official City of Fullerton Press release regarding current condition. Thank you for your cooperation.
      City of Fullerton Maintenance Sevices Dept. URL: /http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/city_manager/pressreleases/rain.html

      Posted:02/23/2005

    • Trail UpdateWhere Exactly...-Can you specify where the damages are? At least the ones you've seen... Thanks

      Posted:02/23/2005

    • Trail UpdateUnder Harbor...-under the bridge, all the sides of the hills have slid down. The mud and dirt are now totally level with the top of the rails. What a mess. It's going to take about a month for everything to dry up.
      Lance a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Weyless 67 from La Habra, CA

      Posted:02/23/2005

    • Trail UpdateWest Nile Active All Winter-Saw some mosquitoes buzzing around the house then
      came across this link: URL: West Nile in Orange County

      Posted:02/22/2005

    • Trail UpdateUnder Water-The trails behind the dam are under water and so is a fair part of Fullerton Golf Course. The "lake" behind tunnels almost reaches up to Bastanchury. It's going to be a while before this mess dries up and is rideable again.

      Get out your road bike and go over to the dam for a look. I haven't seen the water level this high in years.
      Iguana a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Kayak from Fullerton

      Posted:02/19/2005

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park Fullerton Dam-
      Yes if it stops raining we will be good to go for 3/19.

      A high school group is scheduled to come out and do alot of the "grunt" work cutting trail on 3/5. So, if you / we can come out on 3/19 and fine tune and adjust the trial, that would be great!

      cu.

      Ranger Tom

      Posted:02/18/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam/Craig Park Trails-Hello Ranger Tom, JamR;
      March 19th sounds great to me as well, I'll swing by and pick up the proper forms.
      SideShow John and I took the family up there on bikes last Sunday, noticed that they just mowed the downhill slopes, getting ready for some trail work. Conditions were still real wet and muddy. Looking foward to getting this thing rideable. Thanks again for keeping it going - Tom. C-Ya Soon.
      FishBoyT a 37 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Gary Fisher Mt. Tam29 & Joshua-Y/F3 from Fullerton

      Posted:02/16/2005

    • Trail UpdateCorrection-Make that the 19th of March.

      I'll start contacting the troops.

      Thanks for the opportunity Tom,


      JamR a 49 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a A few bikes from Capo

      Posted:02/10/2005

    • Trail UpdateTrail Work-March 5th is out for me - Vision Quest day; but after that I can make any Saturday.

      Let's see if we can try for the 12th.


      JamR a 49 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a A few bikes from Capo

      Posted:02/10/2005

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park Fullerton Dam-Possible dates for trail work:

      Saturday, March 5th.

      Saturday, March 19th

      Saturday, March 26th

      Sunday, March 20th

      and Sunday March 27th

      Let me know if one or more of these dates wil be good your all you trail making volunteers? The park will supply the tools and training you supply the labor.

      I will be on-duty to assist on those dates, so if not work, stop by the park /office and see me for an adopt a park volunteer agreement.

      This should be a fun project which will add more single track to the Fullerton Loop.

      My office number is: 714-973-3181
      Ranger Tom a Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:02/10/2005

    • Trail UpdateYes!!!...-Trail is ticky tacky right now. Even after the light sprinkle. Green everywhere. Looks like a jungle in some parts with 3-4 foot high plants on the side. Just rode the part in between Laguna Lake and the bridge under Harbor and the trail is doing great.

      Go out an enjoy!
      Lance a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Weyless67 from La Habra

      Posted:02/08/2005

    • Trail UpdateIt's Riding Time!-Hey, just wanted to let you all know that I road the loop this Sunday afternoon. The trail is fine. The railroad part needs a lot of work, but you can still get around it to the golf coarse side.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11-12 miles Elevation change: 200 +-
      Singletrack=30% Dirt Road=60% Paved Path=10%
      Richard a 32 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Silver Santa Cruz Blur from Fullerton

      Posted:01/30/2005

    • Trail UpdateRideable?-I was thinking about going out on the loop tomorrow, Sunday. Has anyone ridden it? Is it rideable?
      BikerJustin a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant NRS1 from Whittier

      Posted:01/29/2005

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park - Fullerton Dam-The date(s) and times have not been set yet. but soon with this good weather!

      you can pick up the forms from the ranger office in craig park.

      stay tuned to this site for news on work dates.


      scrogg a Downhiller from Fullerton

      Posted:01/21/2005

    • Trail UpdateWhere can I find more details on location and time of trail maintenance and where to find the volunteer forms?

      Posted:01/19/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam / Craig Park-Hi Trail builders! If you anticipate you will be assisting us in building some new trails at Ted Craig Park, I will ask that you fill out an "Adopt a Park" volunteer agreement form.
      These can be picked up at the park office or from the park ranger in advance of the work dates.
      For volunteers younger than 18 years you will need a parent or guardian to sign it before you can begin work.

      Great weather now for riding and trail building!
      take care!


      Ranger Tom a Cross-Country Rider riding a KHS Alite 1000 from Fullerton .com

      Posted:01/19/2005

    • Trail UpdateCorrection...-I actually went the whole loop on Saturday 1/15.
      Lance a 24 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Weyless 67 from La Habra, CA

      Posted:01/18/2005

    • Trail UpdateMuddy Rutty...-Trail is just a mess right now. Went the full loop on 1-17-05. I would say most the trail is ok except for the whole section from the bridge on Harbor to the Park by the dam. If you go the rest of the trail and cut this short then you're ok. Careful though, some of the gullies and washes are about 1 1/2 feet deep. You slip your tire in there and your gonna eat it.

      Seems like half the side of the hill slid down by the railroad tracks. Just stay away until maintenance is done. I lost my shoe just hiking my bike over all that mess. Hopefully by this Saturday most the trail should be dry.

      Before anyone threatens to chop off my head... I walked my bike through all the muddy parts- just for you guys! Well actually I have a brand new bike and i didn't want to get it dirty.
      Lance a 24 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Weyless 67 from La Habra, CA

      Posted:01/18/2005

    • Trail UpdateStill Muddy-Hi. I rode the loop on Saturday morning. Did full loop starting from the courthouse. Mud, mud, and more mud littered more than half the trail. Watchout for the quicksand like mud near the railroad tracks by the golf course. I got stuck in the mud as I was hiking the bike through it. Luckily I got out 30 seconds before the train came. Some parts of the trail is also rutted now, so be careful.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Vince a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Jamis Dakar from Cerritos

      Posted:01/17/2005

    • Trail UpdateNot So Muddy...-We met a couple of guys last night that had ridden the whole loop. They were covered with mud from the passing under Harbor. There is a shorter route we've been taking to avoid the mud these last few weeks though. We start at Euclid and Rosecrans and head West on Rosecrans to the trail at Grissom Park, we then ride North through the park, do the whole West loop, then drop out at Euclid S/O Laguna, we then return back to Euclid and Rosecrans. It's only 5.4 miles, but you can do it twice if you feel the need! Anyway, very little mud, mostly sandy. Later...
      McGyver a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Specialized from Whittier

      Posted:01/14/2005

    • Trail UpdateMore Trail Work...-I know we all want to get out there and ride...but please stay off the trails. We've had the worst rains in several years... you guys are creating more ruts out there.

      Give it a few days or let it warm up a bit. Thanks
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a n Intense Tracer

      Posted:01/13/2005

    • Trail UpdateMuddy-I tried a night ride. The trail is very muddy in some places. The section by the rail road tracks is not ride able the mud is 18 inches deep in sections The tunnels at the end of the golf course was not passable the water is flowing down both sides. There are several trees down thought the trail. All of the new ruts made for an interesting ride.
      Carlos from Fullerton E-mail: infousa@supernova-lights.com URL: Supernova Lighting Systems

      Posted:01/13/2005

    • Trail UpdateIt's Fullerton Dam At Craig Park-See posts below, about #6 or #7 by JamR.
      That should clear it up. We got put on hold because of rains. But now that its starting to dry up a bit, we'll be planning a site survey/layout, then a Saturday work day. All to be cordinated with Ranger Tom. Thanks for your interest. Check back for updates.

      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: TBD-miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=TBD%
      FishBoyT a 37 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Gary Fisher Mt. Tam29 & Joshua-Y/F3 from Fullerton

      Posted:01/13/2005

    • Trail UpdateSo Which Is It?-so which is it then brea dam or fullerton dam??? and what are u planning on building???

      Posted:01/13/2005

    • Trail UpdateSo Which Is It?-so which is it then brea dam or fullerton dam??? and what are u planning on building???

      Posted:01/13/2005

    • Trail UpdateSo Which Is It?-so which is it then brea dam or fullerton dam??? and what are u planning on building???

      Posted:01/13/2005

    • Trail UpdateSo Which Is It?-so which is it then brea dam or fullerton dam??? and what are u planning on building???

      Posted:01/13/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam/Brea Dam-Just for clarification: The Fullerton Dam is over by Bastanchury and Associated at the end of Craig Park.
      Brea Dam is the one after tunnels, over by the tennis courts next to Harbor.
      Confusing isn't it?

      Posted:01/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam-Actually, just around the dam at the south end of Craig park. Small area where some mild natural features & obstacles can be built as a practice area.

      Nothing major and definitely nothing extreme, but enough to have fun playing on.

      We just need to wait for an opening in the weather and mark out the area.

      We’ll keep everyone posted on when we will be needing bodies for the first work session. We’ll be bringing the trails on in small phases.

      Again, nothing major but a nice addition to the north county area.

      JamR a 49 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a A few bikes from Capo

      Posted:01/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateWhat Kind Of Work You Planning?-What do you guys have in mind for the area? Are you
      referring to the area immediately after the two tunnels by the
      golf course? Or the area up "above" that area?
      matthew kipper

      Posted:01/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam-Ok Fish boyt,

      Yes the rains need to slow down a bit b-4 we can get dirty. Tools & logs are ready. Before we cut earth however, we should really "flag" the trail, maybe walk it, map it even. Is there a weekday afternoon most of us may be available? almost any tuesday thru Friday for me,

      Thanks for your assist!


      Ranger Tom a Cross-Country Rider riding a KHS Alite 1000 from Fullerton

      Posted:01/05/2005

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam/Craig Park Trails-Hello All,
      Happy 2005. Now that the holidays are a fading memory, I'm looking forward to getting started on the new trails/training track behind Fullerton Dam. We had a productive kick off meeting with Ranger Tom on 12/24, and as soon as the rains taper off it would be ideal conditions to start some construction. I for one just wanted to begin the dialog to set up a weekday planning meeting and then a Saturday work day in the near future; per our conversation on 12/24.
      Look forward to hearing from one and all. JamR, SideShow John, Jawbreaker, Ranger Tom, Scrog, Lance. Cheers.

      Ride rating: Intermediate
      FishBoyT a 37 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Dose Piscado from FullyLooped

      Posted:01/03/2005

    • Trail UpdateShort Ride...-Rode the "short" Loop from Parks and Bastanchury (actually Jack in the box), to Euclid s/o Laguna yesterday with a pack of kids. Terrain was good, only muddy in a few spots but easy to go around. Some additional water ruts since two weeks ago, nothing major. Fallen tree across the trail just past the fire station at Rosecrans, and on sidewalk between Gilbert and the fire station. The downhill section to Euclid is now called the "cheese grater" since my friend on his vintage 1989 Nishiki decided to test his body parts at speed against the chain link. Not pretty...
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      McGyver... a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Specialized from Whittier

      Posted:01/02/2005

    • Trail UpdateCAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG-The Fullerton loop is a multi use trail. It is used by mountain bikers, hikers(both young & old), and horse riders. A smile and alittle respect for others will go a long way. If we all can't play nice on the loop, big brother (the City of Fullerton) just might take it away. Think about this the next time you are out enjoying the loop.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Carbonman a 42 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Joker from Fullerton

      Posted:12/29/2004

    • Trail Update"UNSAFE TRAIL FEATURES"-Stay off the trail mom.

      orphan riding a unsafe at any speed

      Posted:12/29/2004

    • Trail UpdateCaution-I rode the loop this afternoon. Everything was fine until I hit Mormon Hill and some local kids put a line of fresh cactus across the trail. Luckily I saw it and was able to stop in time. Another guy helped me clear it up. The kids ran into the houses. They'll probably try to do it again so watch out.

      I'll be @ Craig Fri. morning.
      Jawbreaker a 23 year old riding a Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:12/21/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam / Craig Park-Trail designers / builders:

      Hello, Robert / Scrog, thanks for setting this meeting up. If everyone you would like to meet at the front park office a little bit b-4 10:00am on 12/24 we can car-a-van down to the overflow parking lot. Then we can walk or bike the proposed site.

      Looking forward to meeting you and hearing your ideas for sustainable trails.

      Park Ranger
      Tom Maloney
      714-973-3180
      Ranger Tom a Cross-Country Rider riding a KHS Alite 1000 from Orange .com

      Posted:12/21/2004

    • Trail UpdateDevelop The Area-Listen up all you dope smokers. It's about time that blight is developed into something nice for the good tax paying folks of Orange County. Open space just attracts hooligans and promotes dope smoking.
      Of course, with all the haze on the brain that afflicts you so-called mountain bikers, I doubt any of you could rub two nickels together, much less organize anything.
      Merry Christmas. Why don't you take your toys and move to Mexico.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 20 Elevation change: 0
      Paved Path=100%
      Herbert Levlienskiesk a 73 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Callaway Big Bertha from Tustin

      Posted:12/21/2004

    • Trail UpdateSide Bar...-Hey all,
      I guess this is community action Christmas. I just saw on mtbreview, this post. Apparently there is a meeting on 12-28-04 at 7:30pm to discuss options to expand the Fullerton Loop and save Coyote Hills as reserve. I'm sure all you know about the Save Coyote Hills deal that's been going on. Unfortunately I don't have a location on this yet. I'll post again when I do. You can contact this guy to let him know if you are attending. Hope others can come!
      -----------------------------------------
      Please come out to the meeting to help plain this event. It is NOT too late for us to have an impact on the future of Coyote Hills/ “The Loop”. Expect the meeting to last about one hour. Tell everyone you know and bring a friend to the meeting. We all "know some one" and we all know a lot of people in the cycling community. Let's work to get a lot of people to participate in this meeting. Please notify me if you plan on attending so I can inform the group of how many will show.

      Contact me at seatstay@Yahoo.com

      IT IS NOT TOO LATE FOR US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

      Please join us for the meeting on Tuesday, December 28th at 7:30pm

      Visit Coyotehills.org for additional information.

      Lance a 24 year old riding a Weyless 67 from La Habra

      Posted:12/20/2004

    • Trail UpdateCriag Park On The 24th-I'll be there, I will bring my bike and a copy of IMBA's "building better trails". Bummer, but it looks like Sideshow John has to work. I'll take notes and fill him in. Thanks for setting this up Scrog.
      See ya at 10:00am 12/24. Peace Out.

      Ride distance: Lots Hopefully miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=To be determined%
      FishBoyT a 37 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Dose Piscado from FullyLooped

      Posted:12/20/2004

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park 24th-I'll download and print a topo and aerial of the area for Friday.

      See ya there.

      I'm assuming we'll be meeting at the entrance Ranger Station at 10:00 am.

      Bringing my bike.
      JamR a 49 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a A few bikes from Capo

      Posted:12/19/2004

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park Trails - Fullerton Da-Lance, (and the rest)
      No need to bring tools to this meeting (unless you got a new tool for x-mas and want to show it off!!!!)

      This will be a discussion with the ranger guy, and a walk through the area (bring your bike if you want).

      We will talk about what can or cannot be done. where, with what tools, trail design and on-going trail maintenance (if any) A good or well designed / self sustaining trail should in theory not need more that a little seasonal "touch up" or TLC.

      An accurate topographical map would be of help!

      anyway, hope to see the REAL riders present, the talkers can stay home and eat fruit cake!



      scrog a 37 year old Downhiller from Fullerton

      Posted:12/19/2004

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park--I'll be there. Should I bring any tools, or is this just a discussion?

      I rode to work today, so I'll be riding the loop after I leave at noon. I'll try to refill that hole as best I can (if its still there).

      Posted:12/17/2004

    • Trail UpdateLoop...-That shovel slows me down man!

      I here ya, gotta protect the oldsters and our trail- I saw the 18inch hole and put a halfass effort to fill it in. It's about 2-3 inches deep now. Shouldn't be a problem for anybody.


      Lance a 24 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Weyless 67 from La Habra

      Posted:12/17/2004

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park...-Xmas eve day huh? Pretty sure I'll be in town. If at all possible I will be there. This is encouraging!
      Lance a 24 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Weyless 67 from La Habra

      Posted:12/17/2004

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park-See ya on the 24th
      JamR a 49 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a A few bikes from Capo

      Posted:12/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam / Craig Park-Ok,

      I talked to the Ranger guy and he said he would meet anyone interested in discussing the idea of building some new trails at Craig Park.

      He suggested we meet on Friday, December 24, at 10:00 am? how does that sound?

      (Bring your own Starbucks)

      There is a dirt parking lot across from ballfield # 4 in Craig Park.

      What say you....

      Lance

      JamR

      Jawbreaker

      John????

      others welcome.


      Scrog (Robert) a 37 year old Downhiller from Fullerton

      Posted:12/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateHit The Hole-I went out yesterday and saw those jumpse that were built. My first thought was, "where did they get the extra dirt?" Then, "Wham!" I hit the hole at speed but luckily it didn't take me out. It totally caught me by surprise. My wife was able to aviod it. BEWARE, It's there, but it's slowly filling back up naturally. I doubt the ones who built the jumps read this but the reality of losing our riding area is very real...click on the link below!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Neckbone a 36 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a KHS URL: Lost Trails!!!

      Posted:12/15/2004

    • Trail UpdateRe:riders Beware-I saw the hole in question and it was bigger than 18" across. I also saw this dude on a weyless 67 fleeing the scene in a hurry with a dirty shovel strapped to the back of his camelback...:) Ofcourse it is these jr. high kids making these holes. The jumps don't bother me but don't make holes in the middle of the trail! Consider an elderly hiker tripping and breaking a hip or a rider being thrown off their horse when the horse stumbles in the camoflauged hole, not good. My advise is if they are spotted is ask these boys to stop putting these holes in the middle on the trail. Make all the jumps you want but don't do anything that would possibly close the trail to bikers. Anyway, just be careful.
      Speedracer

      Posted:12/15/2004

    • Trail UpdateNothing-that I can see is even remotely dangerous on this trail.I went out Sunday just for a lap for I could stretch my legs a little and I did see the little jumps which I greatly appreciated and although I'm far from being a dirt jumper these are of the perfect height for somebody like me.It was still misting out there and the only people we seen were very friendly.I missed the hole you're all talking about.
      I get a kick out of this urban setting.It reminds me of when we were little kids and would race through our local wilderness, pretending we were someplace like the mountains.It's not much, but like anything, if you go at it hard enough you can make a good workout of it.
      Pain Freak riding a Surly Turner from The 909

      Posted:12/13/2004

    • Trail UpdateRe: Riders Beware-Rode from my house, through Craig Park, down Bastanchury to the loop and back this morning. Those jumps you're talking about after Euclid cause no problems because they're to the side; I don't see any reason to complain about them. I saw the jr high kids building them a few weeks back and asked if any of them had cleared them yet- only one had. They look like fun so who cares. I also saw the so called booby trap you're talking- a hole about 1-2" deep about 18" wide and partially covered with leaves. Its easily avoidable and doesn't even pose a threat (I purposely ran over it and nothing happened). If someone deliberately put it there as a trap they certainly have failed.

      Jawbreaker a 23 year old riding a Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:12/13/2004

    • Trail UpdateTrail Features...-These were just a nice couple of harmless doubles off the side of the trail. Did you see them actually diggin the hole in the middle of the trail? Hard to imagine why they would do something that would risk their jumps being torn down.

      I like these "features" as long as they're on the side of the trail. I didn't post about them on purpose because I knew someone would want them torn down.

      Make sure you complain to the proper authorities so we can keep the trail as boring as possible!
      Lance a 24 year old riding a Weyless 67 from La Habra

      Posted:12/13/2004

    • Trail UpdateRIDERS BEWARE...-I rode the loop this afternoon and came upon a group of young men with BMX bikes and shovels creating "unsafe trail features" just after the first crossing of Euclid before "wicked little". There were numerous jumps there, but also a large hole- an apparent "booby trap"- right in the middle of the main trail, and it appeared to be deliberately filled with leaves. I noticed something similar several weeks ago right after the first rains, but that hole was subsequently filled with logs and then dirt, so no longer poses a threat. I was alone at the time and unsure exactly how to confront these guys, but this is cause for concern. Is there anyone to report this sort of activity to? Is the city of Fullerton responsible for maintaining the trails? Please post a response here to let me know how to go about handling this. In the meantime...BEWARE.
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:

      Posted:12/12/2004

    • Trail UpdateTrail Is Interesting...-Went out on 12-4-04 starting out by the golf course at about 7:00am. The whole course was white! Needless to say it was cold and crunchy! Wore my full face helmet to keep warm, well less cold.

      Trail is intersting after the rains. Lots of 1/2 to 1 foot deep gullies on the downhills. Speaking of downhills, the Mormon Hill cement drop is no more. That was the best drop of the loop, too bad.

      Enjoy the ride!

      Lance a 24 year old Downhiller riding a Weyless 67 freeride from La Habra

      Posted:12/07/2004

    • Trail UpdateRe: Trail Help-I'm down; just post the date and time. I live about 1/2 mile from Craig Park and ride through there on my way to the loop and work so anything to spice up that park would be nice.
      Jawbreaker a 23 year old riding a Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:12/02/2004

    • Trail UpdateTrail Help-I am definately interested in helping, I have read a few things on trail structure. We can work out details at the below mentioned ride.
      By the way I hope to prerun the Biannual Bridge to Beer Bash this thursday. I should be at the bridge in Acacia park at 6pm, do Dead Cat, Skyline, HillCrest That Dam Trail and then on to Hereos by 8pm, anyone intersted meet the Founding Fathers From the Fabulous Fullerton Frequet Fliers Fraternity at the bridge. You can use the Church for overflow parking if there is that big of a turnout.
      John a 44 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a gainst the wind and uphill in Troy and Albi's dust

      Posted:12/01/2004

    • Trail UpdateNew Trail Help-Sorry.....forgot to open my e-mail address
      JamR a 49 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a A few bikes from Capo

      Posted:12/01/2004

    • Trail UpdateNew Trail Help-I'd definitely be interested in helping out.

      We should get the interested parties together for a walk-through of the area and come up with a proposed trail plan.

      I'll find an aerial map of the area and we can use it to outline some trails.

      post here with your e-mail address if interested.

      Thanks
      JamR a 49 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a A few bikes from Capo

      Posted:12/01/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam Trails-hey, I talked to the ranger guy at craig park and he says we can work with the parks department to set up some new trails there! All we have to do is clear it with him or the other ranger 1st.

      Anyone feel like putting in some "Sweat - Equity" ??

      anyone know anything about designing "Sustainable Trails"?

      reply to this post if interested.

      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 2 miles Elevation change: 300'
      Singletrack=50% Dirt Road=50%
      Scrogg a Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:12/01/2004

    • Trail UpdateLoop-It has been a while since I have been on the loop but it is still a GREAT ride.. The city of Fullerton is always working hard on the trail. We are blessed to have a city that is comited to keep the trail up.. Ride hard..p.s. thanks to the guy on the Giant NRS carbon for the tube. I forgot your name!!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a Ritchey from Irvine

      Posted:11/23/2004

    • Trail UpdateRe: Where Did I Go Wrong?-You went too far down Rosecrans. The trail picks up again on the right hand side before the Fire Station right at the end of the condos. The trail goes uphill on the western end the complex until it eventually drops you off at Gilbert again.

      Posted:11/17/2004

    • Trail UpdateWhere Did I Go Wrong?-I rode The Loop last night for the first time. Riding clockwise from Harbor and Berkley I think I was doing fine riding arround the perimiter of a wild life reserve and behind housing tracts. When I came off the trail onto Rosecrans turned right and caught the trail again just past a large softball park. Rode up a very well groomed gravel path arround a water tower and down crossing a number of v-ditch bridges to exit into a housing tract just east of Beach Blvd. Lost the trail and ended up riding back Imperial to Euclid.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Old Fat Slow Guy a Weekend Warrior

      Posted:11/17/2004

    • Trail UpdateI'll do you one better, skippy. SHOW up at the meeting! Being lazy and having others do your dirty work doesn't do anything for your access, trust me.

      Grant
      GC

      Posted:11/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateMore Info-last insider info, which was heard today, said that the housing thing will never go through because of the save coyote hills coalition's efforts. There is, however, a private meeting between city council and Fullerton police department officials to work out finalized plans to have Fullerton Police officers patrol the loop on honda motorcycles to keep recent complaints of noise disturbences to a minimum. While this seems like an inconvenience, it will actually, in the long run, keep the trail open for a while more. All of you who do stupid things like cut new trails, which also will get the trail closed sooner and ruin for us all, better watch out because the police will not be leniant in writing citations for illegal activities...dont mess it up for the rest of us. happy trails
      TWOPfullertonXC a 17 year old Racer riding a Giant XTC from La Mirada

      Posted:11/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-council Meeting-Fullerton Loop-council meeting on development!

      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      I was briefly told that the city council was having a meeting to review the plans for development of homes in Coyote Hills THIS WEDNESDAY AT 5:30PM.

      This meeting is important because it sets forward the plan to develop new homes in Coyote Hills. WHICH BASICLLY MEANS BYE BYE FULLERTON LOOP. The new homes and construction is going right through the Loop.

      I believe as trail users and Mountain Bikers that we have a responsibility to try to keep this land undeveloped. It is possible to keep the land from development and turn it into a park of some sort. Visit , Friendsofcoyotehills.org for more information. I know that if several people show up to this meeting to voice their concern it will help the council members decide what the plan will be regarding the future of Coyote Hills/ Fullerton Loop.

      Visit: http://ecom.cityoffullerton.com/age...hedMeetings.htm

      The meeting this Wednesday is not on their offical web page. I sitll plan on going to voice my view on the plans for development. Please contact me if you have any questions regarding this at : seatstay@Yahoo.com

      Posted:11/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateNight Riders-A few of us start near Jax's bikes in Fullerton, head through Acacia Park go up Skyline, through Hillcrest, over the dam do a couple times around the dam trail and back, takes us 1.5 hours max. We usually leave around 8-9pm. Thursday is the usual night.
      Eva's lil friend

      Posted:11/10/2004

    • Trail UpdateNight Riders-Are there a lot of night riders in fullerton loop? What time and where do starting?

      Posted:11/09/2004

    • Trail UpdateDam Roots-Anyone make it over the roots behind the dam?
      What is the new route?
      What happen to the ideas of a trail behind the dam at Craig Park?
      Why would the city limit bikes on the trail just for stunts?
      A friend twisted her knee walking her dog via bicycle, will that soon be prohibited.
      See y'all at Acacia tonight
      Sideshow John

      Posted:11/09/2004

    • Trail UpdateJust Came Back From The Trail-I just rode the trail this morning @ 8:30 a.m. Good condition...Good work out..:)

      Posted:11/09/2004

    • Trail UpdateRe: Trail Conditions After Rain-The trail is still in great shape. I rode the loop this afternoon and everything was perfect; only a couple of small puddles out there.
      Jawbreaker a 23 year old riding a Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:11/08/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam Trails-The Fullerton Dam is just barely in Fullerton, right on the border of Brea.

      You may not be able to connect to the Fully loop without some road riding. but worth checking out!

      lots of room for "private" stunts and play grounds.

      for those who dare....

      Scrog
      Scrog a Downhiller

      Posted:11/08/2004

    • Trail UpdateTrail Condition After Rain.-I am wondering condition of trail after the rain. I am thinking about riding tommorrow in the morning, however, concerned w/ the trail condition. I only rode this trail once. Is there group of ppl who rides this trail together? I start from the new fire station on the rosecranse.. Thanx

      Posted:11/08/2004

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Lives Again...-After some late nite trail work/reconstruction Tues. and Thurs. last week, Dead cat pass lives to be ridden again. Iggy and I did three laps (up and back) yesterday (Sunday). Almost able to do it without dabbing, just need to trim the tree trunk at the 2nd rock crossing. You got to check out the new Covy Grand Cyn. undercrossing that dips under the huge fallen tree. Very Cool. Thanks Iggy, great job on the engineering that one. We finally made it both directions no-touchie. However, the sky looks pretty dark to the north, may cost the cat yet another life.
      Go ride, have fun, stay dry.

      Ride rating: Advanced
      Ride distance: 2 round trip Elevation change:
      Singletrack=100%
      FishBoyT a 37 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Dose Pisces from FullyTown

      Posted:11/08/2004

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass After Rain-Well, Dead cat did not survive rain, if you count trees across trail as a impasse. I did this ride last Saturday..still difficult with low trees blocking trail but rain knocked down a couple palm trees which require carrying bike over or under(i went under)..as narrow as ever and technical just like before..same old Dead cat Pass. Trail will need some work..removing trees..to make it passable again in entirety. There is a bee hive in a tree past bridge in Acacia Park section.
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Ride distance: 1/2 mile Elevation change:
      a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Hurricane from Whittier

      Posted:11/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateStunts?-I may be way off here, so correct me if I am, but it seams to me that building stunts behind the dam would be yet another nail in the coffin of bikes on the loop. That is public land, if something were to happen to someone on one of those stunts the city would be sued and the loop would be shut down. This isn't the Alberta, Canada or one of the most technical rides around and trying to make it so is fairly useless. It is a fun ride near home for most of us and it would be a shame to lose.
      BikerJustin a 30 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant NRS1 from Whittier

      Posted:11/03/2004

    • Trail UpdateStunts?-I may be way off here, so correct me if I am, but it seams to me that building stunts behind the dam would be yet another nail in the coffin of bikes on the loop. That is public land, if something were to happen to someone on one of those stunts the city would be sued and the loop would be shut down. This isn't the Alberta, Canada or one of the most technical rides around and trying to make it so is fairly useless. It is a fun ride near home for most of us and it would be a shame to lose.
      BikerJustin a 30 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant NRS1 from Whittier

      Posted:11/03/2004

    • Trail UpdateSouth Side Of Dam-Harbor? where are you talking about?

      The Fullerton dam Is West of Associated road, north of Bastanchury Rd.

      ground moisture and texture is perfect for new trail building.

      c u there.


      scrog
      scrogged

      Posted:11/03/2004

    • Trail UpdateNorthshore Ladders After Dam-sounds like it would be a good ideal to build some
      northshore style ladders and a couple stunts after the damn
      area next the creek, that would be sweet!
      steven_jackson

      Posted:10/29/2004

    • Trail UpdateDam Trail-Make a trail on the south side of the dam? Is that near Harbor or farside of Harbor?
      Also What happen to ideas of mb course in Craig park?
      Did dead cat pass survive rain?
      See you'all on the trail tonight around dark thirty.
      Albi, Troy, Bob, you in?
      Iggy Pop riding a China Girl Tonight

      Posted:10/29/2004

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop is in very good shape after the rains a few mud spots and several new ruts. Several trees are down in several places on trail all in all a good ride.

      Posted:10/23/2004

    • Trail UpdatePart 3-1. I didn't have my chain saw with me when I was riding. or sand bags or my dump truck

      2. you don't know me or how many time I've "cleaned" up the area above mormon hill trash,bottles and what not. or removed hazards from all around the loop which is never ending

      3. trail "clean up" is done by the juvenile work program kids in the county orange. trail fixing and up keep I believe is performed by the city ,as they are doing now to accomodate all the new people that will be moving in the area. people seem to tear down any little "addition"

      4. WOW you got all that from the fully loop and post how ignorant you are.

      bungle riding a a shovel,hoe and a rake

      Posted:10/23/2004

    • Trail UpdateFully Loopy Loop Prt II-WOW you noticed all that w/the loop yet you didnt volunteer for trail clean up?!?!?!?

      Always suggestions...waiting for someone else to clean it up for you?!?!

      Posted:10/22/2004

    • Trail UpdateFully Loopy Loop-yes the loop needs "work". the section after the tunnels is tore the "f" up.a lot of trees are down some are big ones. the little root section to drop off is totally under mined,again with downed trees. the creek has eroded so much earth. soon that whole section might be gone if we get more storms like the latest one. I think some well built "optional" sections would be very good for some of us. ride on and watch the low branches. oh yeah see you at the rampage
      bungle

      Posted:10/22/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam-
      Now is the time to carve some new trails down the hills s/w of the dam!

      ground is soft. No weeds! there is room for 3 or 4 new down hill shots.

      s/b fun!

      Scrogged.
      scrogged

      Posted:10/22/2004

    • Trail UpdateDeadly Dead Cat-As if Dead Cat Pass isn't hard enough, I, fool, that I am, decided I would try it yesteray in the RAIN! I think there realy is some spirit that belongs to a cat that died there, that enjoys wreaking havoc on us tresspassers on it's place of (un)rest. WARNING: Don't emulate my ill-fated endeavour. I did not finish the ride, having the prescence of mind to turn back before I fell off the veeeery slippery, narrow trail into the brown churning rain swelled waters of the creek! All you have done this ride, know that the standard of conquering it is to ride to the end without touching feet to ground. Was impossible yesterday. Even in good weather I haven't accomplished the feat. Anyways, rain is predicted for the next few days so if anyone thinks they got the cajones to take on Dead Cat in these conditions and survive, do it, and report here! I sure didn't. Maybe there should be a separate Dead Cat trail listing? Ride.......
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Ride distance: 1/2 mile Elevation change:
      Singletrack=45% Dirt Road=30%
      a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Hurricane from Whittier

      Posted:10/21/2004

    • Trail UpdateChecked Out DeadCat...-yesterday since it's near my house and I was riding my way home from the loop. There is a reason why no one knows about it: it's barely do-able and not worth the effort to get there since its so short. It's more of a tight path for transients to walk near the dirty creek than it is a mtb trail. There are a couple of pretty steep drop-ins that are difficult because they're right next to some large jagged rocks. Not very inviting, but respect for anyone who can do it. I also saw no dead cats which added to my disappointment.
      Delia'sGone riding a Epic from Fullerton

      Posted:10/14/2004

    • Trail UpdateFollow The White Rabbit-O.K. We're standing on the southwest corner of the intersection, facing CSUF (the mountains are north). See the CSUF parking lot across St. College from you? See the red frat house caddy corner to you? Good. Now look over your right shoulder. There is a small lawn, with a row of shabby-looking trees behind it. Behind those trees is a ditch with dirty water. Along this ditch runs the mysterious Pass of the Dead Cat. Turn all the way around and bike towards the neighborhood (west). Before you get to the next road, look for the trail on your left. It drops down to the stream and follows the stream until it leaves you in a park. Once you're done just bike back the way you came and you'll be back where you started. As far as what the trail is like, it is short (less than a half mile if i had to guess) mostly flat but very narrow and technical, with a few very short steep parts. So chances are there will be no jumping , but plenty of dabbing and a fair chance of some falling. It's pretty far removed from the traditional loop, but like the Weekend Warrior from Whittier, I think it's worth your time to try it once.
      The Flying M

      Posted:10/13/2004

    • Trail UpdateBamBam-is it like down hill single track or just flat??? any jumps or drops???

      Posted:10/12/2004

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass Location-At the intersection of Yorba linda/state College - Yorba Linda curves to the left A creek follows this road on the left side into Acacia Park. "Dead Cat Pass" is down in this creek bed. Not part of the "Loop" per se but worth coming to experience.
      a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Hurricane from Whittier

      Posted:10/12/2004

    • Trail UpdateBamBam-ok can u give better directions im not to familiar with that part of the loop... ok from yorbalinda blvd and stat coll. where would u go? do u climb state up to bass? or do u go in to the neigborhood on yorba linda???? can anyone give me like really detailed directions? mail me please nickrp@adelphia.net
      Nick riding a enduro comp

      Posted:10/12/2004

    • Trail UpdateThe Pass Of The Dead Cat-The nearest major intersection is state college and yorba linda blvd. the pass runs along the drainage ditch that runs from the intersection to acacia school. from the loop, you take the extension up to the summit house, but instead of going all the way to the top, follow skyline drive to the major intersection. just bike around a bit to find it. yeah, it's hard stuff, i think it's the threat of falling onto the rocks in the creek that make it so hard. or it could be how narrow the trail is, the trees crowding the trail or maybe i got psyched out from watching my friend go tire first into a palm tree. whatever. kudos to anyone who cleans it.
      The Flying M

      Posted:10/08/2004

    • Trail UpdateWhere Exactly Is Dead Cat's Pass-What part of the trail? Closest street or cross streets. There are too many names now for these sections.

      Posted:10/08/2004

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat's Hard, But....-Yea, Willo's Dad is right, but dead cat pass is a great black diamond training trail. There are parts of our east Fully loop that are hard too, like behind Brea Dam, I witnessed Willo's Dad do a over the handle bars trick there just last night. Great Stuff. Don't forget about HillCrest park single track, I had a knee and hand dab there last night as well, no one saw it, however.
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Ride distance: 10 R/T Elevation change: Enough for a Warm Up
      Singletrack=45% Dirt Road=30% Paved Path=25%
      FishBoy-T a 37 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a A couple of Fishies from Fully Looped Town

      Posted:10/08/2004

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Too Hard-Don't ride dead cat pass it's too hard, too technical and there is no road apples to complain about. I rode with Eva's lil friend the other day. One guy flipped right at St. College and got a bruise where the sun don't shine, another guy flipped at Acacia School, missed the creek by a few feet, I suggest riding the loop it's easy, ok a little long and boring, but not quite as exciting as riding down steep hills with the tires locked up and nowhere to go. This ride is not for the beginners that the loop attracts. Stay home watch Oprah save your blood for the Red Cross.
      Willo's Dad riding a blood stained specialized

      Posted:10/08/2004

    • Trail UpdateAcacia Park-Hope to do the Dead Cat Pass section of the loop tonight anyone up for a little blood?
      Eva's lil whore no more
      Eva's lil whore a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a wave of light

      Posted:10/05/2004

    • Trail UpdateFunny Sight-Rode the trail today. Pretty nice, hardly anyone on the trail. Coming out of the last section, by the Dam, onto the street...I see three boys laying on the sidewalk drinking out of the gutter!!! Too freaking wierd for me!

      Anyhow get out there and ride. The trail is good to go! Ride HARD, Ride FAST!!!
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 11 miles Elevation change:
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a an Intense Tracer from Corona, CA

      Posted:10/03/2004

    • Trail UpdateJust Ride-yeah I've used the loop on my downhill bike (and all my other bikes)...as a proving ground to work all the bugs out. I also get snooty xc guys telling me where and what I should be riding when they don't even know my story. the loop is dusty and there is a big pile of dirt to jump. just ride and keep your training tips to yourself.
      bungle a 29 year old Downhiller riding a anything that is working at the time

      Posted:10/03/2004

    • Trail UpdateFULLERTON DAM-Slick rock ???
      I love to use the loop for training but pretend your riding Slick Rock?
      STAY FROM THE CAR EXAUST!!!!!!
      GO TO THE MOUNTAINS AND DO SOME REAL MOUNTAIN BIKE RIDING!!
      Try Marshall Cyn?

      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 11miles Elevation change: 20feet
      Singletrack=5% Dirt Road=80% Paved Path=15%
      Mr Bonk a 43 year old Downhiller riding a tooo many

      Posted:10/03/2004

    • Trail UpdateThe Below Post-is a plant.Somebody posting about riding in this manner has no idea about mountain biking.They are just trying to put us in a bad light.I'm calling BS!There is not a single place anywhere on the loop where one would practice "downhill"skills.And if they thought they were practicing, they are so far from what would really be a practice run I, doubt they'd ever even progress to the intermediate level of riding.Nice try,loser.Fullerton is a casual ride at best and might be used for a training ride for cross country, but never for downhill or slamon.
      What a tool.
      Pain Freak riding a Surly Turner from The 909

      Posted:10/03/2004

    • Trail UpdateJeepers Creepers-Where'd ya get that pile of dirt? Nice big jump just before you cross the street at Tree Park. Someone must have trucked that in, because I didn't see a hole anywhere.
      Brush clearing has helped in quite a few areas. Some sections are lose and dusty, especially on the way up to the Mormon/Nora Kuttner Trail.
      Iguana a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a FS

      Posted:10/02/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam-The trails around fullerton dam are getting better and better! someone just mowed all the weeds on the big hill west of the dam. Now it is a perfect place to start new downhill slollum courses.

      Lots of dirt roads up from the dam on the west side to practice skills. Oh, yeah, on the eaast side there is a concrete spillway where you can pretend you are riding "slick-rock" also so harry down hill drops!

      watch out for the rangers ... i don't know if it is leagal, but it sure is fun!

      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Scrogged, a 22 year old Downhiller from Fullerton

      Posted:10/02/2004

    • Trail UpdateDetour On Monday-Just to inform all riders who will be riding the trail on monday morning 10-4-04 the Nora kuttner trail section will be closed for trail repair. The closure will take place at armstead pl. You can exit there prceed to camino del sol and go left follow down to rosecrans go left to euclid. Cross to bud turner trail heading to the lake. Trail will be closed from 7:00am to 3:00pm. Any question you can call 714 738-6897 Thanks,City of Fullerton Maintenance services.
      from Fullerton

      Posted:09/30/2004

    • Trail UpdatePaintballers-We called the cops but did not file a report or anything. The Fullerton PD said they'd check it out but they were probably gone at that point. Just keep your eyes peeled and carry a cell phone.

      We'll be out there tomorrow night.


      Leticia a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:09/28/2004

    • Trail UpdatePaintballers Etc.-i saw those three kids about a week ago. they were wearing camo, so i thought that they might have paintball guns. i didn't see any guns so i rode by as they yelled "what's up dude?" after me. this was right after the two tunnels at the golf course. i didn't realize that i had a pretty good chance of being painted. yeah, next time anyone sees them with their guns they should call the cops because its illegal. little punks. anyway, the trail condition is good but very sandy in some places, namely around mormon hill. keep the rubber side down.
      The Flying M

      Posted:09/27/2004

    • Trail UpdatePAINT BALLERS-Just call 911 tell them there is someone out there with guns!
      This will stop it really FAST

      Posted:09/27/2004

    • Trail UpdatePaintballers Beware!-When Steven comes through there on his Pacific he'll kick the crap out of those punk kids. I'll be wearing my Incredible Hulk t-shirt, so watch for me!
      StevenfullyJackson a 23 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a BigFoesCoveScat from Fullerton Loop

      Posted:09/27/2004

    • Trail UpdateWatch Out For Paintball Attacks-Friend of mine was shot at by 3 young kids just after the golf course. He was riding alone and felt things whizzing by him. Realized that yes they were shooting at him. He went over and told them a few choice words and started to ride away when they shot at him again. This happened Saturday afternoon.
      We've seen these kids before and I am sure they won't shot at groups so watch out when alone. I know a few of us girls have been out there alone and being only 5' I would be pretty intimidated by 3 guys with paintball guns.
      Keep your eyes peeled.
      Leticia a 29 year old

      Posted:09/27/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam-this is a great ride!

      both sides of the dam. lots of dirt, hills, trails.

      steep downhills too.
      Ride distance: 5.0miles Elevation change: 300+
      Singletrack=75% Dirt Road=25%
      torky a Cross-Country Rider riding a old from fullerton

      Posted:09/09/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Rides-The area by Fulerton Dam west of Associated Road is a great ride!

      Secret.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 5 miles Elevation change: 300'
      Singletrack=75% Dirt Road=25%

      Posted:09/09/2004

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-Is that over by the golf course?
      Ride rating: Expert

      Posted:08/31/2004

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-Is that over by the golf course?
      Ride rating: Expert

      Posted:08/31/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Dam-Hey, I don't know if it is part of the "fullerton loop" or not, but the Fullerton Dam has about 10 acres of land that has some nice swales, hills, drops, etc.

      US Army Corps owns it.


      Enjoy, when it cools down.

      Posted:08/31/2004

    • Trail UpdateWher's Da Loop?-Clancy you did not see Da Loop in the video

      Stay way from the electrial outlets
      Ride rating: Expert
      Ride distance: 11miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=100%
      Guess who? a 43 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Schwinn SS

      Posted:08/30/2004

    • Trail UpdateWher's Da Loop?-Clancy you did not see Da Loop in the video

      Stay way from the electrial outlets
      Ride rating: Expert
      Ride distance: 11miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=100%
      Guess who? a 43 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Schwinn SS

      Posted:08/30/2004

    • Trail UpdateWher's Da Loop?-Clancy you did not see Da Loop in the video

      Stay way from the electrial outlets
      Ride rating: Expert
      Ride distance: 11miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=100%
      Guess who? a 43 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Schwinn SS

      Posted:08/30/2004

    • Trail UpdateWher's Da Loop?-Clancy you did not see Da Loop in the video

      Stay way from the electrial outlets
      Ride rating: Expert
      Ride distance: 11miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=100%
      Guess who? a 43 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Schwinn SS

      Posted:08/30/2004

    • Trail UpdateWher's Da Loop?-Clancy you did not see Da Loop in the video

      Stay way from the electrial outlets
      Ride rating: Expert
      Ride distance: 11miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=100%
      Guess who? a 43 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Schwinn SS

      Posted:08/30/2004

    • Trail UpdateWher's Da Loop?-I've watched this Video twice. I know the loop really well and I don't see Da Loop No wheres.

      Clancy a 44 year old Racer riding a Intense, K2, K2, K2, Cannodale, Cannondale, Specialized from Norco

      Posted:08/30/2004

    • Trail UpdateWher's Da Loop?-I've watched this Video twice. I know the loop really well and I don't see Da Loop No wheres.

      Clancy a 44 year old Racer riding a Intense, K2, K2, K2, Cannodale, Cannondale, Specialized from Norco

      Posted:08/30/2004

    • Trail UpdateWednesday Night Rides-I haven't been on this trail in a couple of years. I remember hearing of a group that would meet at the court house and ride. Is this still happening?
      Smitty a 31 year old from Costa Mesa

      Posted:08/25/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Try this one
      Ride rating: Expert URL: http://www.fooriders.com/webmain/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=5

      Posted:08/23/2004

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-Here is a link for the Fullerton loop on video URL: http://://www.fooriders.com/webmain/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=5

      Posted:08/23/2004

    • Trail UpdateUseless?-oh come on its the fully loop... how drastically do the conditions change? :) its all useless anyways!
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 1million miles Elevation change: never enough
      mtnbikeman a 29 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a anything working from Long Beach

      Posted:08/21/2004

    • Trail UpdateInsane!-The bad news: This forum is now useless thanks to some of you. The good news: It's nice to see that even the mentally unstable have a good imagination.
      Tombiker

      Posted:08/20/2004

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-conditions: loose and dusty there happens to be a lot of B.S. on the trail too! ride free
      it doesn't matter what you're riding as long as you're riding . keep the attitudes at home
      bungle a 29 year old Downhiller riding a anything that's working at the time

      Posted:08/18/2004

    • Trail UpdateA City Worker-Starting today if I see one stone out of place The offender will be fined. I will be on patrol. There also will be spot safety checks and riding skill tests. If I determine that you are not good enough for this trail, you will be photgraphed and escorted off the trail. The new policy also restricts rider to three (3) laps per weeks. If your bike is not cool enough you will sent home.

      Posted:08/18/2004

    • Trail UpdateHehe Yup I'll Admit It-yeah, was just trying to stir things up... I had nothing else to do... ok I guess I could have been tuning up a bike or something a little more productive... sorry :)
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 1 million Elevation change: ups and downs
      Singletrack=1000%
      mtnbikeman a 29 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant OCR Elite from Long Beach

      Posted:08/18/2004

    • Trail UpdateYou All Suck-Why is everyone here bitching about someone else. I say Shut Up go ride and who cares. At least you guys get to ride. Or you could be like me and be overseas protecting your sissy butts and dreaming I could ride even if it is some urban flatland ride like the loop.
      chris a Cross-Country Rider riding a m-16 across the desert

      Posted:08/18/2004

    • Trail UpdateLooks Like Flame Bait To Me!!!-Lets use this site for what it was ment for.

      Thanks
      Justaryder

      Posted:08/17/2004

    • Trail UpdateHehe-I love it when people start going at it on the trail updates forum... good stuff! But really both of you are losers.
      Big Jump Dude: YOU SUCK ASS don't be building "jumps" on city property... thats how mtn.bikes have been getting banned from more and more trails. And really you're "rockin" the fully loop dude... its not even a "real" mtn.bike ride for serious off roaders. Find private property or more out of the way places to build your jumps... oh wait you probably can't pedal your fat arse to any out of the way places.
      City Worker: How on earth are you "going" pro from riding the fully loop? If you are doing something like after work or just squeezing a "quick ride" in most racers agree that for training the road bike can be more effective... I'd disagree, but really the fully loop is so easy how could it be a challenge to someone "turning pro" so I think you are both full of it.
      Now its time to go for a real mtn.bike ride - personally don't care about the fully loop, but have friends who like to ride there and the jackass building jumps should quit it or mtn.bikes will end up being banned there, seen it happen before. Go RIDE!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: not enough miles Elevation change: I wish there were
      mtnbikeman a 29 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant NRS from Long Beach

      Posted:08/17/2004

    • Trail UpdateHahah PATHETIC-Look at you.. trying to explain yourself... hahah... i get blah blah blah sick days... blah blah blah paid days.. no one cares man... you wanna tell us what time you wake up and go to sleep too? What time you eat breakfast and where as well... just stop man....

      Posted:08/17/2004

    • Trail UpdateCity Worker-Hey Dude! I have done this on city time that you paid me for,I get 15 paid holidays a year not counting sick days and 4 weeks paid vaction and I'm off work at 3:00pm.
      I have pleanty of time to ride and Iam turning pro next year.
      so take your sorry a$$ and go find a place to ride in your neighborhood [Santa Ana]
      Ride rating: Expert
      Ride distance: 11miles Elevation change:
      Dirt Road=100%
      Mr City Worker a Racer riding a Tooo Fast your eyes from Behind the Orange Curtain

      Posted:08/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateListen to yourself man....Dude.. you're a freaking CITY WORKER.. didn't go to college I see... pathetic... so what other dirty ass work do you do? Do you clean up the trash on the street too? Do you pick up the horse shit on the trails as well? Look in the mirror and say... ahhh... I've accomplished a lot in life.. I am a proud City Worker!!! Never claimed be a pro you idiot.. just a little fun to the mundane Fullerton Trail... but you claim and proudly I might add.. to be a CITY WORKER... Pathetic man....surprised you know how to use a computer... keep up the good work by keeping the streets clean!

      Posted:08/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateA City Worker-I tear down your jump every time I see it. Go get your wanna be mountain biker thrills elsewhere. If you wanted to get big air you would not use the Fullerton Loop. This route is as flat as Kansas. And as technical as a box of crayons. Go be a pro somewhere else, oh wait, you cant be a pro because you have no skills. Getting paid for ruining your pathetic fun.

      Posted:08/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateListen....-Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right?
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 12.6328 miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=15% Dirt Road=35% Paved Path=40%
      Mike Damone a 17 year old Weekend Warrior from Ridgemont

      Posted:08/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateDicks-Who keeps tearing down my jump? I built a jump at the bottom of the only "long" downhill that spits out at Euclid. The jump was near the end where that concrete block is. Which fuckers keep tearing it down? You can fly around 40 feet if you take off fast.... damn hikers? cross country bikers? stop tearing down jumps you pussies!

      Posted:08/15/2004

    • Trail UpdateDONT BE A DICK-I was out Thursday nignt and did the loop twice. the first time I did it clockwise, then counter clockwise.
      There were a lot of people out there all were frendly.

      I have read stories about the DICKS out there and most of them [I hate to say it]are on bikes.
      There are a few that wreck it for the rest. My bike is in good cond and you can't hear me come up on you but I do slow down, ring my bell, or say on our left,I think the few are X road bike riders that are tooo slow for the beach trail and think they own this trail.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 22 miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=5% Dirt Road=75% Paved Path=20%
      Just wana have fun a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a an SS

      Posted:08/13/2004

    • Trail UpdateSlow Riders-The other side to slow riders is...if you're going to pass, keep in mind that your bike (if well maintained) is almost silent, and you need to say ON YER LEFT or something similar, in order to pass. In other words, don't be a dick.

      Posted:08/12/2004

    • Trail UpdateLost Pitbull-Someone over on mtbr.com posted that he lost his pitbull on the Fullerton Loop. Link here: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=41334 URL: Lost Pitbull

      Posted:08/11/2004

    • Trail UpdateSlow Ass Riders-All you slow ass riders need to huck the RIGHT SIDE OF THE TRAIL... so people half decent with some speed can pass by... and don't get mad when people pass you up cause you're doing 3mph... thank you

      Posted:08/11/2004

    • Trail UpdateSaturday Crash-I'm so glad to hear that she's doing better.
      I hate seeing crashes and injuries like that.
      Tell her she is in our prayers.
      David a 47 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Specialized Epic Comp from Yorba Linda

      Posted:08/10/2004

    • Trail UpdateBad Crash!-I spoke with the girls dad on sunday and she is doing better. She recieved a concusion and a big knot.
      (Even with a helmet) Thanks for your concern.
      Justaryder a Die-hard Enthusiast from Fullerton

      Posted:08/09/2004

    • Trail UpdateBad Crash On Saturday-There was a woman riding with a group of guys who crashed on a downhill portion of the loop right after the climb from the water tank.
      I was wondering if anyone knows how she's doing. She was unconscious for a short time and was throwing up. We offered what help we could and decided to leave when the Paramedics arrived.
      Anyone know?
      David a 47 year old riding a Specialized Epic Comp from Yorba Linda

      Posted:08/09/2004

    • Trail UpdateThere Is A Gate-that you have to open along the North side of the street in that housing tract and it will lead you to a trail to a lookout over the golf course -> down to the horse/bike/walking trail that heads West on Bastanchury (towards Brea Blvd.) . Its decent and allows you to loop back to the trailhead across from the baseball feilds / housing tract.

      Posted:08/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateChecked Out The Extension...-and it seems pretty pointless. It's a boring climb on a gravel trail through the matchbox houses taking over Coyote Hills. It ends in a neighborhood and you have to turn around and ride back. Definetly not worth the trip and I didn't see any trail continuation. It'd be cool if you could cut across near the water tank back to where the normal loop is, but we know that will never happen.
      CubsWin a 23 year old riding a enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:08/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateExtension Details-From the far west end og the loop, stay on Rosecrans Ave instead of turning right/north onto the trail through the eucalyptus, next to the apartments, and just before the new fire station. On Rosecrans, pass the fire station, roll down the hill past the entrance to the softball fields, (get on the sidewalk) and take a right onto a climbing, gravel covered trail. The entrance is across from the tennis courts.

      The trail has been there in some form for at least a year, but until a few months ago, there was a "Do Not Enter" sign on it.

      It ended (as far as I could tell) at the top of a cul-de-sac in some newish housing (Only a couple years old), below the big green water tank. If it continues on a loop, I'd like to know where the rest of the loop is!
      Mtncranker a 49 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Blur from La Mirada

      Posted:08/04/2004

    • Trail Updatei love internal server errors. sorry

      Posted:08/04/2004

    • Trail UpdateExtension?-Can you give some more details about where it starts and ends? To me your description sounds almost exactly like the loop that's always been there.

      Rad will never die. never
      CubsWin a 23 year old riding a 04 Enduro Comp from Fullerton

      Posted:08/04/2004

    • Trail UpdateExtension?-Can you give some more details about where it starts and ends? To me your description sounds almost exactly like the loop that's always been there.

      Rad will never die. never
      CubsWin a 23 year old riding a 04 Enduro Comp from Fullerton

      Posted:08/04/2004

    • Trail UpdateExtension?-Can you give some more details about where it starts and ends? To me your description sounds almost exactly like the loop that's always been there.

      Rad will never die. never
      CubsWin a 23 year old riding a 04 Enduro Comp from Fullerton

      Posted:08/04/2004

    • Trail UpdateExtension?-Can you give some more details about where it starts and ends? To me your description sounds almost exactly like the loop that's always been there.

      Rad will never die. never
      CubsWin a 23 year old riding a 04 Enduro Comp from Fullerton

      Posted:08/04/2004

    • Trail UpdateLoop Extension-About 1/2 mile down the hill on Rosecrans Ave, past the new fire station and the extreme western end of the loop, is a newish section of trail that goes through some of the new houses there. The trail is on the north side of Rosecrans Ave, and is only about 1.1 miles long. It consists of a series of shortish, fairly steep climbs, interspersed with a few flattish spots, which top out at the big green water tank. There is a nice overlook next to the water tank with good views. The remainder of the trail goes steeply downhill in a series of switchbacks, and ends on a suburb street. I could not find any place it went further. The surface is nasty gravel.

      No technical, kinda like the extension at the other end of the loop around the golf course. Best for getting some extra climbing workouts. Definitely not "rad."
      Mtncranker a 52 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Blur from La Mirada

      Posted:08/04/2004

    • Trail UpdateHmm-was that a 23 year old saying "rad".. hmmm well actually I guess that is about right... if they were 18 it would be dope? If you think the fully loop is rad, there are many more rad-er places... really.
      Mtnbikerman a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant MCM Team from Long Beach

      Posted:08/04/2004

    • Trail Update1st Time At The Loop-this trail has a little of everything: downhills, singletracks, climbs, and technicals. I enjoyed the ride thanks to tony and rob, they were nice enough to let me ride with them. I can't wait to go again. the only thing that i didn't like was some loose dirt on some parts of the trails. other than that it was rad.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Allan a 23 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a K2 from Rowland Heights

      Posted:08/04/2004

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop-I like to swim naked in the duck pond after a long ride. Ive started crapping on the trail also, so dont only blame the horses. My best loop time last week was just under 4 hours. I would have been faster but guys from the city had dug a pit with bamboo spikes at the bottom just like in Rambo. I have also been going door-to-door asking people who live on the loop to move and take their houses with them. I am also selling t-shirts that read "Fullerton Loop, funner than shoplifting at Supergo"

      Posted:07/27/2004

    • Trail UpdateHey Wayne-A little off topic here... but do you know why dog owner's have to pick up after their dogs but horse owners... well... don't? I run the trail as well as bike it and I've dodged a few piles at one time or another.

      Posted:07/26/2004

    • Trail UpdateHey Numb Nuts-Hello all. My name is Wayne, and I am an employee of the City of Fullerton. I do not use the Fullerton trails much, but I do take offense when people spread vicious lies about my friends and fellow employees. So, I am going to voice my opinion. Here we go: 1st off,if the brain dead idiot that posted "City Corruption", knew what the hell he was talking about, he would know that Clifford Jennings is one of the finest, reliable, most hard working City of Fullerton employees there is. 2nd, Cliff is responsible for most of the improvements on the trails in recent years. These trails would not be in near the great shape they are if he didn't spend so much time on them. 3rd, if this bird brained puke knew anything at all, he would know that Cliff was promoted nearly a year ago, and is not even responsible for overseeing the Fullerton trails anymore. Phil Kisor is currently in charge of them. 4th, if your going to post messages on this site, don't embarrass yourself and your fellow bikers. Get your stupid ass back to 3rd grade and learn how to spell! Ok, I'm done. Thanks for your time.

      Posted:07/26/2004

    • Trail UpdateCITY CORRUPTION-I dont know if any of you other fellow bike riders have been taking notice to the city workers destroying our trails near Brea damn, but they have been known to flatten out the jumps and even go as far as to throw brush in the middle of trails (witnessed this myself.) I managed to bump into the krew that was behind this act on several occasions, so I stopped to find out the name of the dick head behind all of this, his name is Clifford Jennings. Possibly the biggest loser piece of shit to ever grace a nature trail...when I confronted him about his destruction of our trails with his equally retarded crew, the only defense he had was to "take it up with his boss, he only takes the orders" (much like he takes the dick.) anyways his dumb boss in charge of ruining our trails is a low life named Dennis Quinlaven, you can reach him at - DennisQ@ci.fullerton.ca.us Email him to voice your opinions, we must unite to put an end to the destruction of our trails!
      Upset Trail Guy riding a gigantic from Fullerton

      Posted:07/23/2004

    • Trail UpdateDuh Masses...-...were all out on the trail today. Passed a few people (quite a few, according to some sources), a few people passed me, there was a group of about 20 newbie-looking people riding the trail against my direction so i blew past them twice, the courthouse parking lot was fuller than usual. and that's only mountain bikers. there were also your standard walkers and joggers in the mix. that's the price to pay for having a great trail in the middle of suburbia! no horse riders, though. they seem to have disappeared. they might get in our way sometimes, but they are one of the features of the trail i have come to enjoy. anyway, the sand isn't too bad and the weather seems a little more bearable. keep the rubber side down (it hurts riding the other way) :)
      The Flying M a Cross-Country Rider from Fullerton

      Posted:07/22/2004

    • Trail UpdateSunny Ridge '77 Settler-Some girlie man broke up the lip at the top of mormon hill. Thank you for saving me from myself!
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Singletrack=25% Dirt Road=30% Paved Path=10% Truck Trail=35%
      Barry a 37 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Gary Fisher from Fullerton CA

      Posted:07/22/2004

    • Trail UpdateWhoops, There Goes Another Hill.-Developers are at it again. They graded the hill on the left just after tunnels. There used to be trees and a horse stable on top. Now it's all flattened and soon to be more $6-800K match-box houses. I hope they don't ask us to stop riding in their back yard.
      Iguana a Cross-Country Rider riding a Big Wheel from Fullerton

      Posted:07/17/2004

    • Trail UpdateLoop-On the downhill coming to the church (before you cross Euclid to go to Laguna Lake) there used to be a nice little dropoff near the houses. Now that dropoff has been covered with loose dirt before and after the drop. Be careful if you haven't been there in a while. The landing can be sketchy if you're going fast like I was and almost crashed. Anyone know who did this?
      CubsWin a 23 year old riding a 04 Enduro Comp from Fullerton

      Posted:07/15/2004

    • Trail UpdateBlack And Tan-I heard rumors that a group leaves the courthouse, does the loop and the hits the pub for a cold one. What time.

      Posted:07/15/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullertonian Does Turnball-Got up early Sunday and did Turnball Canyon with Troy. Major workout. Lots of rocks, gnarly jumps, some sweet switchbacks and downhills are very fast, everything is steep. Met up with the locals who showed us their goat trail. It was Hillcrest on steroids, and nowhere near the technicality of Dead Cat trail in Acacia Park.

      Posted:07/12/2004

    • Trail UpdateDirections-Hey bud,
      something came up here at work wont be able to make it. so dont wait up.. thanx anyway..

      Posted:07/07/2004

    • Trail UpdateHelp I Need Directions-sounds good, I'll be there just about that time. i'll be there with a few other people and we'll be starting at the courthouse.

      Posted:07/07/2004

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-SOUNDS LIKE YOURE GOING BACKWARDS. MEET ME AT laguna LAKE park AT 5:15 I'LL SHOW YOU THE WAY i'll be on an orange bullit
      BUNGLE a Downhiller

      Posted:07/07/2004

    • Trail UpdateHELP !!! I NEED DIRECTIONS-I WANNA RIDE TODAY JULY 7TH 2004. BUT I WANNA FIND THE REST OF THE FULLERTON TRAIL. I USUALLY START AT THE COURTHOUSE UP THE TRAIL DOWN THE R/R TRACK > TO THE GOLF COURSE > INTO THE TUNNEL > I TAKE THE MIDDLE TRAIL > UP THE PAVED ROAD > TO THE BREA DAM > DOWN THE ROCKY HILL > BACK TO THE SINGLE TRAIL > BACK TO THE TUNNELS AND FINNALLY BACK TO THE THE COURT HOUSE.
      ANOTHER ROUTE:
      START AT COURTHOUSE > UP THE TRAIL > LEFT ONTO THE LAKE > PASS THE LAKE > ON THE SINGLE TRAIL > CROSS THE STREET (NOT SURE WHAT STREET THAT WAS) > UP THE TRAIL BY THE CHURCH > I THEN TAKE THAT ALL THE WAY AND COME OUT ON ROSECRANS BLVD AND HEAD BACK THE SAME EXACT ROUTE TO THE COURT HOUSE.
      ANY OTHER TRAILS I SHOULD EXPLORE?
      THAT TOPO MAP DOESNT HELP ME MUCH. MAYBE I JUST DONT KNOW HOW TO READ IT.
      THANX IN ADVANCE.
      riding a KHS XC304

      Posted:07/07/2004

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-it was actually on the flat about 50 yards before the tunnels, a nice skinny wood board on top of some sand bags, it would kick you up in the air nicely. i'll build it back up. i'll be at laguna lake park tomorrow around 5:15 pm on an orange bullit
      bungle a Downhiller riding a anything that is working

      Posted:07/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-where exactly behind the golf course? after the tunnel to the right?
      Ride rating: Novice
      Jas1086 a 23 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a 04 Giant Rincon from USA

      Posted:07/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-I BUILT A NICE LITTLE JUMP BEHIND THE GOLF COURSE NOTHING CRAZY.. IT GOT KNOCKED DOWN TOO BAD ADDED SOME FLAVOR..I'LL BUILD SOMETHING ELSE REALLY SOON RIDE ON RIDE FREE
      BUNGLE a Downhiller riding a WHAT'S WORKING?

      Posted:07/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-second time riding it this month. i'm a newbie with a newbie bike and i must say the second time around was a blast. i managed to run over a "gopher" snake that was in my way on a downhill run and do an endo, lol. all in all, the fullerton loop is great for beginners.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12 Elevation change:
      Diamondback321 a 24 year old Weekend Warrior riding a DIAMONDBACK COIL from LONG BEACH

      Posted:06/21/2004

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Summer time is upon us. as the days get hotter the trail becomes dryer. I had not been out on the trail for a long time but, I still was able to enjoy the good old LOOP!
      a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a NRS

      Posted:06/15/2004

    • Trail UpdateTree Down-...in the brea dam area. As you go through the ditch before you start climbing to the top of the dam, the tree fell right on the trail, too big for me to take care of immediately. Watch out, it sneaks up on you. Otherwise, the trail was in good condition, but too much sand. Keep the rubber side down.
      The Flying M

      Posted:06/14/2004

    • Trail UpdateNew Castle Works-Hey John Regarding diet, Troy and I were pounding New Castles and then did the trail, made it over the gate on top of the dam, anyone else?
      Iggy

      Posted:06/01/2004

    • Trail UpdateDiet-What is the proper diet before a gruelling ride. I am interested in 24 hours before and the day of the big ride.

      See ya tonight around 6pm in Acacia park
      John riding a wave of light

      Posted:05/25/2004

    • Trail UpdateSinglespeed The Loop-Don't whine that the loop is too easy or that there are no worthwhile hills, singlespeed it. It's like a whole new loop. I've been doing it for 6 months and I've yet to make it up one certain hill.
      We usually ride as a small group on Weds or Thurs evening. We'd be happy to show a newby around, even if you ride a geary.
      Mattman a 41 year old Weekend Warrior riding a silent black singlespeed stealth bike from La Mirada

      Posted:05/24/2004

    • Trail UpdateClick On Topo! Map-Click on the Topo! Map button above and you will see the map of the route... much longer than what you did! You will find it much more enjoyable.
      stinkyfinger a Cross-Country Rider riding a homemade bike from los angeles

      Posted:05/19/2004

    • Trail UpdateFranko Maps-Hey...buy a Franko's map of the Loop and get the full 11+ mile version dialed. You are going the wrong way! I rode the Loop last night after about a year away and enjoyed the breezer ride for a change. The one thing that does stand out on the Loop, after riding other trails for awhile, is the lack of real climbs. Sure the little stretches of single track are enjoyable, but come-on. Where's the challenge in the Loop anymore?
      What I miss is what used to be the "trench run" on the church DH to Euclid. And the roller-coaster DH that used to be the south ridge of the driving range...what a blast! Too bad the Loop is so mundane these days. I miss the Loop from 5+ years ago...
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: Elevation change: 2.75'
      Singletrack=Needs More% Dirt Road=A lot% Paved Path=Too much%
      Dusty Buttocks a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a DH50 Mongoose from Baker Ranch

      Posted:05/19/2004

    • Trail UpdateLoop Guidance-Anyone wanna help Guide a new Fully loop Rider?
      I'm trying to find other routes to the loop
      here is my route:
      start at the courthouse up the trail > down the RR tracks makea right > sharp right U-Turn > cross the street and down to the golf course > through the tunnel > and make a few loops around those trails usually up Brea Dam and back to the courthouse...
      Is this what this Fully loop has to offer? anyother single trails?
      Help....

      whutdafeezzy? a 26 year old Weekend Warrior from La Mirada

      Posted:05/19/2004

    • Trail UpdateThursday Loop Group-Another great part of the Thursday Loop is the Fullerton Farmer's Market / Beer Garden a few blocks south on Harbor Blvd. (corner of Harbor/Wilshire) from the Courthouse. From April -> October the market/garden is open from 4:30 - 8:30 and is a great place to check out after a ride.

      Just do the loop, head down Harbor, and have a beer.


      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Markus Headlaunch a 33 year old riding a Fisher Hardtail from Yorba Linda

      Posted:05/19/2004

    • Trail UpdateThursday Group-There were a few groups leaving from the courthouse this last Thursday between 6 and 6:30. The Bike Beat group I've ridden with for almost ten years now leaves closer to 6:30.

      Posted:05/08/2004

    • Trail UpdateMountain Goat Spotted-Right next to the Brea Dam. Watch out!!
      Jack Hoff a 69 year old Downhiller riding a Honda XR50 from your mom's house

      Posted:05/07/2004

    • Trail UpdateWoops-sorry ... there was a scripting error as I was trying to post the message. did't intend on repeating the post sooooo many times.
      stinkyfinger

      Posted:05/06/2004

    • Trail Updateclean your finger and maybe your mouse button won't stick?
      a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:05/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateTrail Group??-I am interested in doing this ride with the group that meets here on Thursday evenings. Do they (you) still meet here?? Let me know!!
      Stinkyfinger a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Homemade bike from Pasadena

      Posted:05/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateTrail Group??-I am interested in doing this ride with the group that meets here on Thursday evenings. Do they (you) still meet here?? Let me know!!
      Stinkyfinger a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Homemade bike from Pasadena

      Posted:05/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateRiding Groups?-I have a free day/evening tomorrow, May 6th, and I am interested in doing this trail with the group that meets here. Do they (you) still meet here on Thursday evenings? Let me know!
      Stinkyfinger a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Homemade bike from Pasadena

      Posted:05/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateRiding Groups?-I have a free day/evening tomorrow, May 6th, and I am interested in doing this trail with the group that meets here. Do they (you) still meet here on Thursday evenings? Let me know!
      Stinkyfinger a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Homemade bike from Pasadena

      Posted:05/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateRiding Groups?-I have a free day/evening tomorrow, May 6th, and I am interested in doing this trail with the group that meets here. Do they (you) still meet here on Thursday evenings? Let me know!
      Stinkyfinger a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Homemade bike from Pasadena

      Posted:05/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateRiding Groups?-I have a free day/evening tomorrow, May 6th, and I am interested in doing this trail with the group that meets here. Do they (you) still meet here on Thursday evenings? Let me know!
      Stinkyfinger a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Homemade bike from Pasadena

      Posted:05/06/2004

    • Trail Update3 More Miles-You can add 3+ miles. As you go through the tunnels, turn left at the first intersection. Follow the trail out to Brea Blvd. Cross the street, take the horse trail and go either left or right. You are basically going to ride around the golf course on Brea and Bastanchury. Either direction you will have to climb and decend on loose gravel. Cross the street on Brea Blvd and head back to where you turned off. Finish the rest of the golf course. I havent ridden this part for almost two years, I hope they havent closed it vor bikers. Check it out!!!
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Intense Tracer from Corona

      Posted:05/05/2004

    • Trail Update11.5 Miles-or thereabouts.

      DeRanger

      Posted:05/05/2004

    • Trail UpdateLOOP MILES-HI, I JUST STARTED DOING THE LOOP AND WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE COULD PLEASE TELL ME HOW MANY MILES IT IS TOTAL. I HAVE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
      THANKS
      Rhonda a 32 year old

      Posted:05/05/2004

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Wow is was hot! Drink lots of H2O!

      Posted:05/03/2004

    • Trail UpdateDisappearing Bridge-You know that new bridge in the eucalyptus grove after you turn into Coyote Hills from Rosecrans? That's the one. Personally, I'd prefer it at its original location but that's just me. (Oh my God, I'm sorry I complained, don't bite my head off!!!) The loop is nice, lots of walkers. Almost crashed after circumventing a pedestrian down Mormon Hill, though. Be careful of them, they may look nice but they thirst for mountain biker blood!!!
      The Flying M

      Posted:04/28/2004

    • Trail UpdateBridge-"If you re build it, they will come"

      Posted:04/27/2004

    • Trail UpdateLOOP-I was out on the trail and noticed the little bridge was gone after the golf area??? Anyone going to re build it???

      Posted:04/25/2004

    • Trail UpdateGreg - Spell Check!!-Loop - the trail is KILLER fast and tacky..... After the rain I was so excited to ride me bike and really tear it up.. as for the spoke boy I can not saw anything but good things about the boys @ 2 wheels one planet.. They dailed me in with a killer set of wheels hand built w/ some King hubs and are running strong one year later.... GO FAST

      BTW-Hey IG, where's the photos of those spokes?

      Rayzorx a 48 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Stumpjumper Pro Hardtail from West Covina

      Posted:04/24/2004

    • Trail UpdateKILLER LOOP-WoW, haven't ridden Fully Loop for months. I'm just getting back into Mtb Biking. The Loop is in Killer Condition. Fast, good ground traction, just in its prime condition. Watch out for the roots, if you can't ride them, Don't Force it.. I'm now a member of the OHB club (Over the Handle Bars club) I guess my mountian biking skills are'nt back yet.. Hahaha.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      andreeezy a 26 year old Weekend Warrior riding a 2004 KHS XC304 from The Same city as The KILLER LOOP

      Posted:04/21/2004

    • Trail UpdateLoop-the trail is KILLER fast and tacky..... After the rain I was so excited to ride me bike and really tear it up.. as for the spoke boy I can not saw anything but good things about the boys @ 2 wheels one planet.. They dailed me in with a killer set of wheels hand built w/ some King hubs and are running strong one year later.... GO FAST
      Greg Hedgse a 34 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a GT from FUllerton

      Posted:04/20/2004

    • Trail UpdateLOOPY LOOP-(HANS REY OR ME) THAT SECTION IS SWEET KEEP YOUR FLOW ,RIDE THE ROOTS AND THE LIFT BABY LIFT ,CLEAR THE HOLE ,STICK THE LANDING AND YELL YEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWWW YOU CAN EVEN DO IT ON A HARD TAIL I DO
      BUNGLE a 29 year old Downhiller riding a ANYTHING THAT IS WORKING AT THE TIME

      Posted:04/19/2004

    • Trail UpdateUpdate Part II-The little wooden bridge just after the tunnels, is gone, I think permanently. However, there are still several ways through the woods in this part, but you have to start off going left after the tunnel, across the creek. Then, you can make a quick right and that area is do-able if you're Hans Rey, otherwise continue to the left for several yards then make a right at one of two trails.
      Tombiker

      Posted:04/18/2004

    • Trail UpdateTrail Update (B.S. Free)-Hey, here's a concept: In the Fullerton Loop trail update area, let's post trail updates of the Fullerton Loop. I know, it's a stretch, but I have confidence in all of you. Here's mine: I ride the Loop once or twice a week. Lately, there's a fair amount of sandy areas, and some ruts too, but all in all very rideable. I'll check tomorrow to see if that little wooden bridge is built up again, just after the tunnels.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      Tombiker a 45 year old Weekend Warrior riding a very large bike from Fullerton

      Posted:04/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateOrange County-Read the last several posts and you can understand why you are an embarassement to all of southern california. Do you guys have anything better to do then bitch about stupid ass stuff.

      Posted:04/16/2004

    • Trail UpdateSwedish Magazines-I'd like to comment on Iggy's spoke problem but this months edition of Swedish Hotties just arrived in the mail. I think you all know what I mean when I say "I wish life could be Swedish magazines"!
      5 foot 1 rider with a pain in my neck

      Posted:04/15/2004

    • Trail UpdateWHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE-SO HOW IN THE HELL DID ALL OF THIS HAPPEN ON THE TRAIL?
      THE LAST TIME I RODE THIS TRAIL THERE WERE NO BROKE SPOKES.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      SPIN WHEELS a 55 year old Racer

      Posted:04/15/2004

    • Trail UpdateSpoke Boy Will Shut Up Soon-Dear no name,
      I was not complaining about riding with broken spokes. I was only trying to warn fellow riders of the danger of permitting others to work on your bike. I wanted to relay my experience with a mechanic that was not qualified. Sorry if I hit a nerve.
      Ig riding a bike that will be serviced at Two Wheels 1 planet

      Posted:04/15/2004

    • Trail UpdateSpokes Broke At Hub-The spokes broke at the hub, only on the gear cluster side. The chain fell off the gear cluster and fell up, behind first gear. The brief rubbing wore away about half of the material on the spokes. Because it was behind the cluster I could not see it while cleaning the bike. The mechanic surely should have seen the damaged spokes when he was replacing the broken spokes, he would have to remove the cluster. For photos go to http://photos.yahoo.com/jwcov
      In the picture is a worn spoke next to a recently replaced spoke next to a missing spoke.


      Ig riding a lust for life

      Posted:04/14/2004

    • Trail UpdateSpokes Broke At Hub-The spokes broke at the hub, only on the gear cluster side. The chain fell off the gear cluster and fell up, behind first gear. The brief rubbing wore away about half of the material on the spokes. Because it was behind the cluster I could not see it while cleaning the bike. The mechanic surely should have seen the damaged spokes when he was replacing the broken spokes, he would have to remove the cluster. I'll try to post photos.

      Ig riding a lust for life

      Posted:04/14/2004

    • Trail UpdateHey Spoke Boy,-Get over it. Your bitchen to every body about riding with broken spokes. Shut up.
      a year old Cross-Country Rider riding a from

      Posted:04/14/2004

    • Trail UpdateIf I saw Iggy Pop on the trail I'd shit my pants. Gimme danger, lil stranger...

      In response to the discussion below about Craig Park- I don't know where you plan on putting trails near the dam. It only connects to a fenceline of some houses. I live right by CP, and ride from my house to the loop. I've scoped out Craig Park a few times and there really is nothing to ride there. Gilman Park, on the other hand, is small but fun.

      Riding the loop today after work. Everything was perfect on Friday when I rode it last.


      kingofrain a 23 year old riding a 04 Enduro Comp from Fullerton

      Posted:04/14/2004

    • Trail UpdateJax Said-Iggy,
      I've never been at Jax, can't say nothing bout'em i'll tell you Two Wheels are good people..
      dru

      Posted:04/14/2004

    • Trail UpdateAbout Your Spokes-Iggy, just curious as to where the spoke broke (not what part
      of the trail, but where on the spoke), when mine broke, they
      broke/snapped right at the nipple. I can't really see the chain
      significantly damaging the overall integrity of the spokes if it
      just got stuck between the cogset and the spokes. Were they
      scarred/scraped? How severely were they damaged as a
      result of the chain getting stuck in there?
      dirt k.

      Posted:04/14/2004

    • Trail UpdateJax Said-The mechanic at Jax said after looking at the compromised spokes that he would not have changed them because they were not broke. Management backed up the mechanic saying that the management was not there when the original repair order was written so they don't have the whole story. When it's my well being on the line every part on that bike must be up to the manufactures specs I'm not going to tumble down the hill over a $0.35 spoke. Very bad position they have. For my safety, I don't feel that Jax knows what they are doing, I will not risk my safety with the mechanics at Jax. See you at Two Wheels..
      Ig riding a bike that will be maintained at Two Wheels

      Posted:04/14/2004

    • Trail UpdateUse Protection On The Rear-Buddy Troy discovered the problem with the broken spokes.
      We removed the rear gear cluster to put it onto an extra rim he had. On my rim we noted that at some point the big round plastic spoke protector between the rear cluster and the spokes fell apart and off. Later the chain fell off the rear cluster to the outside of first gear. Without the plastic protector the chain rubbed against the spokes, only briefly but enough to compromise the spokes. Powering up the hill, with the strength of ten men, was enough of a load to cause the spokes to fail. Visable are the new recently replaced spokes overlapping the old compromised spokes. I will ask the bike shop why they did not replace all the spokes, the damage is obvious with the cluster removed.
      Thanks Dru for the info, I will look into that site when I can.

      Iggy Pop riding a Hybrid Speciliazed Fisher

      Posted:04/12/2004

    • Trail UpdateHEAVY DUTY RIM-hey Iggy PoP,
      maybe you should try asking a more knowledgeable person. Try asking R.C. (Richard Cunningham) of Mountain Bike Action magazine. You can ask him through the website. he usually responds with in the next 1 or 2 days. He did to my question. here is a link. just click on the {ask R.C. a question} in parenthesis
      good luck
      http://www.mbaction.com/qanda.asp
      dru a 26 year old Weekend Warrior riding a 2004 KHS XC304 from FULLERTON

      Posted:04/12/2004

    • Trail UpdateHeavy Duty Rim-Any thoughts? I keep breaking spokes. I even took my bike into one of Fullerton biggest bike shops and had them check the spokes. Last night while doing the Acacia park section I heard the familiar twang of another broken spoke. The trail was clear, I hit nothing. I was powering up the last section right by the school. Could it be I'm breaking them by powering up those hills. I am looking for at least one heavy spoked rim.
      Iggy Pop riding a twanger

      Posted:04/12/2004

    • Trail UpdateHeavy Duty Rim-Any thoughts? I keep breaking spokes. I even took my bike into one of Fullerton biggest bike shops and had them check the spokes. Last night while doing the Acacia park section I heard the familiar twang of another broken spoke. The trail was clear, I hit nothing. I was powering up the last section right by the school. Could it be I'm breaking them by powering up those hills. I am looking for at least one heavy spoked rim.
      Iggy Pop riding a twanger

      Posted:04/12/2004

    • Trail UpdateNo Steven Sightings....-My girl had been wanting to go for a ride and since I hadn't
      rode here in a looooong time, I thought it would be a good
      idea to ease her back into mt. biking ala the mighty Fully
      Loop. We got to the courthouse round 11ish, and headed
      out. The loop was in pretty good shape, the short, steep climb
      after Hiltcher Park was filled in nicely, no ruts, same with any
      other ruts that may have been on this ride. One cool thing I
      noticed was in that eucalyptus grove area after riding along
      Rosecrans was a little Northshore style "ladder" that was only
      about 3-4 long right before that little cement channel that you
      ride along before dropping back to the "main trail/road"
      before the rooted "climb" section. It looked like maybe the
      trail was really rutted right there or something, anyhow, it was
      a fun little feature.

      No crashes for my girl this time, last time she rode here she
      cased it pretty good in that sandy loose section just before
      hanging a left to bomb down "mormon hill". Spring has
      sprung and the loop reflects it, with tons of color along the
      route. Good times out there yesterday (saturday the 3rd).


      Ride distance: about miles Elevation change:
      Dirt Klaud riding a Specialized Enduro from long beach, ca

      Posted:04/04/2004

    • Trail UpdateMake It And They Will Come-If you would please. What is the contruction west of the dam, up on the hill at Craig Park? Do you know what the construction is at the corner of Bast. and Associated? It would be nice to attract riders to Craig Park even now before we have a track. If we started riding in the area that was "destined" to be a riding area, the public would get use to us, accept us, join us, maybe we'd get the funds sooner. Make the concept that you have available, we will ride it.
      Ig a 45 year old riding a bike up the Brea Dam cement part

      Posted:04/01/2004

    • Trail UpdateCoyote Hills...-Tombiker-Thanks. I wrote a letter to the city counsel listed on the site. Do you or anybody else have any information about the hearings that were supposed to take place in January of '04? Has a decision been made in regards to the fate of Coyote Hills?
      Lance a 24 year old Die-hard Enthusiast from La Habra, CA

      Posted:03/26/2004

    • Trail UpdateRe: Sad News-If you want to get involved with keeping housing/WalMart/multiplex development at bay, check out www.coyotehills.org. The development hasn't been approved yet (last I checked) and there is much resident activity about it. I think the building you saw is the new firehouse, $$ for which was donated by the developers. I've seen the developers plans, and at least they'll leave the trails intact (so they say, but of course, developers lie).
      Ride rating: Novice
      Tombiker a 45 year old riding a Giant from Fullerton

      Posted:03/25/2004

    • Trail UpdateSad News...-Rode the trail 3-23-04 in the AM. As the trail goes uphill of rosecrans, the area to the right has been free of houses. The first building is going up on the left of the trail. We all knew it was coming but another couple of years and there should be houses everywhere. Not that this trail was every very natural but it was nice to at least look out and see some part that wasn't urbanized.

      Trail is fast and fun. Perfect hazy riding weather right now. Go for it
      Lance a 24 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Kona Roast from La Habra, cA

      Posted:03/24/2004

    • Trail UpdateBamBam-Great trail to stay in shape on! Needs better maintainence. I ride it a few times a week its fun quick and easy. Alot of people dont like that its really close to housing areas and that there is alot of street riding but if you ride alone its great for saftey. Lots of little jumps and single tracks. cool trail, watch for walkers.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Singletrack=5% Dirt Road=75% Paved Path=20%
      BamBam a 20 year old Downhiller riding a Trek 4300 and Enduro comp

      Posted:03/23/2004

    • Trail UpdateNegative...-The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers cares very much about what happens downstream of the dam - the dam and the area downstream is closed to public access. The bike trail is shelved for now due to budget issues, but may come up again in the future.
      DeRanger

      Posted:03/23/2004

    • Trail UpdateBamBam-Great trail to stay in shape on! Needs better maintainence. I ride it a few times a week its fun quick and easy. Alot of people dont like that its really close to housing areas and that there is alot of street riding but if you ride alone its great for saftey. Lots of little jumps and single tracks. cool trail, watch for walkers.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Singletrack=5% Dirt Road=75% Paved Path=20%
      BamBam a 20 year old Downhiller riding a Trek 4300 and Enduro comp

      Posted:03/23/2004

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park-I see work being done in Craig Park. Is this a bike trail?
      Can we make new trails behind the dam? Who will care? I would like to see a single track trail from the top of the dam to the bottom, by the bridge. Sorry about the toe Troy. Say that fast
      John

      Posted:03/23/2004

    • Trail UpdateRough And Rutted, But Fast!-The loop is rough and rutted after the rains, but fast. There are rutted sections on the singletrack above the greenbelt leading S. towards to the train track section,and then more next to the golf course. A little hairy in the dark. a lot of new errosion on some of the steeper hills too, but nothing that's not negotiable.
      Mattman a 41 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Silent Singlespeed Stealth Bike from North OC

      Posted:03/18/2004

    • Trail UpdateRough And Rutted, But Fast!-The loop is rough and rutted after the rains, but fast. There are rutted sections on the singletrack above the greenbelt leading S. towards to the train track section,and then more next to the golf course. A little hairy in the dark. a lot of new errosion on some of the steeper hills too, but nothing that's not negotiable.
      Mattman a 41 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Silent Singlespeed Stealth Bike from North OC

      Posted:03/18/2004

    • Trail UpdateNew Loop...-The loop is like a new trail. Well my bike has been busted for 3 months so it was so nice to be out on the trail despite the heat. Went out 3-9-04. Trail is bumpy,rutty,rough from the rains, but still tons o'fun! There is even a little jump right before the two giant drainage pipes at the end of the golf course. Go get it and keep cool. hot tamales out there

      Ride rating: Novice
      Lance a 24 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Kona Roast from La Habra

      Posted:03/10/2004

    • Trail UpdateHot, Hot, Hot!-It's hotter'n a possum in my fryin' pan out there and its only March! Trail looks cool after the rains, but watch out for those mudpots that still haven't dried up , especially by the golf course. I saw one where the ruts in it were like 2 or 3 inches deep. I do my best to go around them but sometimes they are as wide as the trail. And did anyone else see those people who parked their butts in the middle of the trail, filming some movie on the railroad tracks by the greenbelt trail? I nearly crashed into their makeup people. O well, what are you going to do in Socal? Until next time, keep the rubber side down.
      The Flying M

      Posted:03/07/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Trail has held up great after the rains.. A Few ruts but overall it is fast
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a GT

      Posted:02/29/2004

    • Trail UpdateSaturday Morning Rides-Come ride with us every Saturday morning around 8am. We are a bunch of guys mostly sporting Specialized bikes. Dubbed Team Specialized by many but anyone is welcomed!!!!! Props to those 5 ladies running the loop last time. Inspiration for us to ride!!!!!!!!!!

      Posted:02/11/2004

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Great time on the loop trail is GREAT.... I can not wait until daylight savings
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a GIANT

      Posted:02/11/2004

    • Trail UpdateHope To Do It Again Soon...-Since that was my first major ride with my new bike, I need to have it adjusted. After that is done, I am definately planning to do that trail again. Gonna go turn the bike into Two Wheels One Planet on Monday. Hoping to do the trail this time in less time that last. Still a newbie at this stuff.
      Steven a 22 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek 4300 Hard Tail from Buena Park, CA

      Posted:02/08/2004

    • Trail UpdateThat Dam Gate-Buddy Troy and I made it around the gate at the top of the dam. We went from the top down. I used the same gearing that I use to make the table top on Dead Cat Pass. See you at Dead Cat Pass in Acacia Park at 4:30 today. Troy are you in?
      John
      John riding a a wheelie

      Posted:02/06/2004

    • Trail UpdateGREAT RIDE-Thanks again to the boys from Fullerton Bicycles for a great ride.. The trail is so nice after the rain. Giants are working great... Mike need a tube?? How about some co2???
      SLOW a Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant NRS

      Posted:02/05/2004

    • Trail UpdateGreat Timing Steven!-I want to commend Steven for taking off his kickstand after
      riding the mighty Fully Loop. I'm glad that thing didn't get
      caught on some shrubery, that could have been bad news!

      Posted:02/04/2004

    • Trail UpdateOk, I Forgive You Steven.-Welcome to the sport!

      Posted:02/04/2004

    • Trail UpdateI Have Removed The Kickstand!-After that trail, the first thing I did when I got home, was to get rid of it!!
      Steven a 22 year old riding a Trek 4300 Hard Tail from Buena Park, CA

      Posted:02/03/2004

    • Trail UpdateHoly $h!+... That's Messed Up...-Hey I don't think there's enough housing in OC... let's build some more... good God when are they gonna stop? I wish some rich mountain biker guy or gal would buy up all that land so it's only purpose would be to let us bikers ride it. I will check out that website... thanks pal. I really hope it goes in our favor park/wildlife way you know!!
      D a 33 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a TREK Fuel 90 WSD from Glendora

      Posted:02/02/2004

    • Trail UpdateCoyote Hills-The coyote hills are behind the fence on the northeast section of the loop. They want to build more houses there. If it is made into a park/wildlife area there will be more trails available for riding. Check out mapquest's aerial photos. Tons of trails with good hills. Check out www.coyotehills.org
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized/foes soon from Lahabra

      Posted:02/02/2004

    • Trail UpdateSweet Ride Man-Nice kickstand Steven!

      Posted:02/01/2004

    • Trail UpdateLiquid Ops-Road the trail yesterday. It was my first time. I struggled through some of it, got lost a few times, but it was a blast. I hope to do it again real soon.
      Steven a 22 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek 4300 Hard Tail from Buena Park, CA URL: Loop Pictures

      Posted:02/01/2004

    • Trail UpdatePre-Super Bowl Ride...-Rode today with a buddy it was pretty much a perfect weather day. Noticed some areas rutted out a bit from the last time I rode this loop, but it still is all good, great distance ride with sections of steeps and downhills. Overall had a great time today... now I get to watch the commercials... uh I mean the super bowl.
      P.S. What does Save Coyote Hills mean? Saw a ton of signs, but have no idea what that's for...
      D a 33 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a TREK Fuel 90 WSD from Glendora

      Posted:02/01/2004

    • Trail UpdateGroup Ride Nite-Is there a nite during the week when a group, club, or bike shop get together? I ride Fully loop in 60 min. & 1.6 hr's. if you add the loop from the tunnels to Bastanchury & State College where it cuts across Coyote hills Golf course. total lenght 17.9 mi from Courthouse.
      a 40 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Santa Cruz Bullit

      Posted:01/30/2004

    • Trail UpdateGood Ride...-Trail in good condtion with only a couple of puddles, but nothing earth-shattering. There is one hazard, though. There is a rude individual out there riding an Enduro pro, wears no helmet, only baseball cap and headphones. He rides/flies by with little to no warning, even at blind corners. That is the kind of stuff that will get someone hurt and once again earn the mountain biker the reputation of "stepchild of the trail" Stay safe and have some courtesy...
      Peace.

      Posted:01/29/2004

    • Trail UpdateLOOP-Just wanted to say thanks to my pals for a great ride Thursday night.. the loop was PERFECT and the new Giants were flying....
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a GIANT from Fullerton Bicycles

      Posted:01/29/2004

    • Trail UpdateRaindrops Fallin' On My Head-hit the trail this afternoon. great stuff. a few light showers mid-ride, kept it nice and cool. only one other biker on the trail that i could see. the loop is smooth and sandless. stopped on mormon hill to take in the view... no noise but the crickets and the wind in the trees...man, i love mountain biking.
      SpinDoctor a Cross-Country Rider riding a a pretty nice bike

      Posted:01/20/2004

    • Trail UpdateYou're Lame-...

      Posted:01/20/2004

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Courthouse-Was wondering if anybody knows the 3 girls that were in a black Tacoma, who were leaving the courthouse at 4:00pm on Sunday 01-18-2004. Just want to give them a shout-out. Anyways, the loop was nice and fast...
      DHracer a 30 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Rockhopper, Kona Stinky or a Giant DH Comp from La Palma

      Posted:01/19/2004

    • Trail UpdateLOOP-This loop is tight and fast.. Great for the cross bike.. Have a good one
      a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a 2004 Giant single speed

      Posted:01/07/2004

    • Trail UpdateWhat Rain?-Took a spin on the loop this morning to beat the rain that was headed our way so the weatherman said. The loop is in fine shape with great traction everywhere. The tree has been moved off the trail at the Hiltshire park section and the the tunnel is now cleared of the debris also. Could not belive that little wood bridge that crosses the water was still there after the last rain. The dam section is at it's best right now. Everyone have a great New Year!!!
      Ride distance: miles11.5 Elevation change:
      JustaRyder a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a NRS AIR

      Posted:12/30/2003

    • Trail UpdateWhat Rain?-Took a spin on the loop this morning to beat the rain that was headed our way so the weatherman said. The loop is in fine shape with great traction everywhere. The tree has been moved off the trail at the Hiltshire park section and the the tunnel is now cleared of the debris also. Could not belive that little wood bridge that crosses the water was still there after the last rain. The dam section is at it's best right now. Everyone have a great New Year!!!
      Ride distance: miles11.5 Elevation change:
      JustaRyder a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a NRS AIR

      Posted:12/30/2003

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-OH HOW SWEET THE LOOP IS. HIT IT 12-28 ABOUT 8:15 AM
      TO MY SURPRISE THERE WAS A LOT OF FROST ON THE GROUND AND A FEW CRUNCHY PLACES WHERE THE WATER FROZE OVER.
      THE LEFT TUNNEL IS BLOCKED BY DEBRIS FROM THE CREEK, BUT THE RIGHT TUNNEL IS CLEAR . THE TRAIL IS NOT AS MUDDY AS MOST MIGHT THINK. SWEET ASS TRACTION
      RIDE ON!
      BUNGLE a Downhiller riding a WHATEVER IS WORKING AT THE TIME

      Posted:12/29/2003

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-hey did anyone see those dumbass kids playing paintball above the golf course near the dam. Anyways loops a little muddy but overall good.
      Shavedhead a 29 year old Weekend Warrior riding a trek liquid from Bellflower

      Posted:12/28/2003

    • Trail UpdateTree Down-The tree is still down in Hiltscher Park as of this morning. And there is a sign up in Chaffee Park that says park closed sunset to 7am. Are they going to be enforcing this? Will I get a ticket for night riding through there??? Someone also placed a stone in the middle of the trail at the start of the traintracks.
      miznax

      Posted:12/23/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-This is the time of the year that the trails are just perfect..... Watch out for the tree that has fallen and keep it on two wheels
      Johny Jet a 39 year old Racer riding a UPs Truck from Fullerton

      Posted:12/22/2003

    • Trail UpdateShoes-Folks,
      What kind of shoes are the hot tip. I don't like to be tied to my pedals, so that type is out. I prefer to ride with a worn out pair of shoes. I bought some steel shanked tennis style shoes, but I lose the fine sensitivity needed for complicated sections like Acacia Park and the dam area.
      By the way I love my HID light, no that was not me. See y'all Sunday morning on the track
      unknown biker a 43 year old riding a t the edge

      Posted:12/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateDuh-you are lame

      Posted:12/17/2003

    • Trail UpdateCouldnt Catch Me !!-Saw yeah back there mr. HID.
      You tried but could keep me in sight!
      Try again next time.
      THREE BLINKS riding a Bullit

      Posted:12/17/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop This Morning-Went out and rode from about 8:30am till 9:30am. The dirt is firm and tacky, no slip on the hills, a couple of puddles but nothing too big to go around. Leaves are falling and air is crisp. You'd think it was an October day in the midwest. Very nice ride.
      Frank Kip a U'd B Suprised year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant NRS Air from Brea

      Posted:12/16/2003

    • Trail UpdateGiant-Hey Bro it is the new 2004 XTC hardtail with a carbon rear end... Very Very Very nice check it OUT
      http://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/030.000.000/030.000.000.asp?dealerid=&dealercountry=&lYear=2004&bikesection=8841&range=158&model=10821
      Posch a Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant from Freindly Fullerton

      Posted:12/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateDarn!-sorry about the repeated posts... kept saying "server error" so I clicked to post it again (and again)... had no idea it was doing this! Sorry to all... Ride everything!
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: D'OH! Elevation change: DUH
      Mtnbikerman a 27 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant MCM Team from Long Beach

      Posted:12/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateWhat Giant Carbon Are You On??-Hey, to last poster... I also ride a Giant Carbon HT and thought they stopped making it two years ago... do you have a Giant MCM? Giant is still making the carbon bikes but not for US sale. Did notice this year they made a NRS team model in carbon... which seems kind of silly to me... but would cut the weight back a little over the aluxx version (my "other" bike)... Just curious if you got one from overseas, or a previous year model. By the way, I agree. The Giant MCM team is the best climbing bike I've ever ridden... happy trails!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: as much as my legs will take me Elevation change: with no end in sight
      Singletrack=100%
      Mtnbikerman a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant MCM Team / Giant NRS / Giant VT / Giant 880 from Long Beach

      Posted:12/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateWhat Giant Carbon Are You On??-Hey, to last poster... I also ride a Giant Carbon HT and thought they stopped making it two years ago... do you have a Giant MCM? Giant is still making the carbon bikes but not for US sale. Did notice this year they made a NRS team model in carbon... which seems kind of silly to me... but would cut the weight back a little over the aluxx version (my "other" bike)... Just curious if you got one from overseas, or a previous year model. By the way, I agree. The Giant MCM team is the best climbing bike I've ever ridden... happy trails!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: as much as my legs will take me Elevation change: with no end in sight
      Singletrack=100%
      Mtnbikerman a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant MCM Team / Giant NRS / Giant VT / Giant 880 from Long Beach

      Posted:12/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateWhat Giant Carbon Are You On??-Hey, to last poster... I also ride a Giant Carbon HT and thought they stopped making it two years ago... do you have a Giant MCM? Giant is still making the carbon bikes but not for US sale. Did notice this year they made a NRS team model in carbon... which seems kind of silly to me... but would cut the weight back a little over the aluxx version (my "other" bike)... Just curious if you got one from overseas, or a previous year model. By the way, I agree. The Giant MCM team is the best climbing bike I've ever ridden... happy trails!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: as much as my legs will take me Elevation change: with no end in sight
      Singletrack=100%
      Mtnbikerman a 27 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant MCM Team / Giant NRS / Giant VT / Giant 880 from Long Beach

      Posted:12/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateWhat Giant Carbon Are You On??-Hey, to last poster... I also ride a Giant Carbon HT and thought they stopped making it two years ago... do you have a Giant MCM? Giant is still making the carbon bikes but not for US sale. Did notice this year they made a NRS team model in carbon... which seems kind of silly to me... but would cut the weight back a little over the aluxx version (my "other" bike)... Just curious if you got one from overseas, or a previous year model. By the way, I agree. The Giant MCM team is the best climbing bike I've ever ridden... happy trails!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: as much as my legs will take me Elevation change: with no end in sight
      Singletrack=100%
      Mtnbikerman a 27 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant MCM Team / Giant NRS / Giant VT / Giant 880 from Long Beach

      Posted:12/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateWhat Giant Carbon Are You On??-Hey, to last poster... I also ride a Giant Carbon HT and thought they stopped making it two years ago... do you have a Giant MCM? Giant is still making the carbon bikes but not for US sale. Did notice this year they made a NRS team model in carbon... which seems kind of silly to me... but would cut the weight back a little over the aluxx version (my "other" bike)... Just curious if you got one from overseas, or a previous year model. By the way, I agree. The Giant MCM team is the best climbing bike I've ever ridden... happy trails!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: as much as my legs will take me Elevation change: with no end in sight
      Singletrack=100%
      Mtnbikerman a 27 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant MCM Team / Giant NRS / Giant VT / Giant 880 from Long Beach

      Posted:12/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateWhat Giant Carbon Are You On??-Hey, to last poster... I also ride a Giant Carbon HT and thought they stopped making it two years ago... do you have a Giant MCM? Giant is still making the carbon bikes but not for US sale. Did notice this year they made a NRS team model in carbon... which seems kind of silly to me... but would cut the weight back a little over the aluxx version (my "other" bike)... Just curious if you got one from overseas, or a previous year model. By the way, I agree. The Giant MCM team is the best climbing bike I've ever ridden... happy trails!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: as much as my legs will take me Elevation change: with no end in sight
      Singletrack=100%
      Mtnbikerman a 27 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant MCM Team / Giant NRS / Giant VT / Giant 880 from Long Beach

      Posted:12/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateLOOP-Had a chance to bust out my New Giant XTC carbon hard tail on the fast and sticky loop.. Can you say Yes babbbbby.. This bike rocks.. Thanks guys at the Fullerton shop for the killer bike!


      Posch in the new Fullerton garb a Cross-Country Rider riding a XTC from Friendly Fullerton

      Posted:12/12/2003

    • Trail UpdateTHURSDAYS!-MYSELF AND MARK K. LAYED DOWN SOME SMACK ON THE CROSS BIKES AROUND 6:30PM. SOME PUDDLES AND LOTS OF REAL NICE TACKY SECTIONS. TRAIL IS IN GREAT SHAPE...THANKS MUCH TO CLIFF AND THE GANG AT THE CITY OF FULLERTON PARKS MAINTENANCE STAFF! LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEW GIANT XTC CARBON FROM MY BOYS DOWN AT FULLERTON BIKES. HAVE FUN AND RIDE A BUNCH!
      POSCH IN THE ARIZONA GARB a 37 year old Racer riding a SIMO CROSS BIKE from FRIENDLY FULLERTON

      Posted:12/11/2003

    • Trail UpdateCurrent Conditions-Rode the loop today at noon...no mud.
      It's my duty to ride a Weekend Warrior riding a dirt donkey from Fullerton

      Posted:12/09/2003

    • Trail UpdateExcellent Conditions-Rode late Monday afternoon. There were a couple of puddles along the railroad tracks, but everything else was perfect.
      Iguana a Cross-Country Rider riding a Old Bike from Fullerton

      Posted:12/09/2003

    • Trail UpdateCurrent Conditions-Yo!!
      I haven't ridden the loop or updated this site in a while, but with all the moisture in the dirt, a healthy body (crashes on pavement bad)and a brand spankin' new Trek Liquid, I'm back. Governator style. Rode it on last thurs. night, it was very nice, thinking about hitting it up tomorrow night. Somebody update this tomorrow with current conditions so I'll know if it's okay to ride.
      JC a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Liquid 30 from Brea

      Posted:12/08/2003

    • Trail UpdateI've never ridden Fullerton Loop. Someone who admires me a great deal is trying to impersonate me, or perhaps just make their wishes of riding with me known. Whoever typed the post in my name, I'm happy to let you show me the Fully Loop for the first time, but only if we can have a cozy picnic in the parking lot when we're through.

      That's all.

      Jeff J.
      El Jefe a 34 year old riding a Blinging V10, ghetto Stinky, shiny Azonic, & a SS Roast from Trabuco Canyon

      Posted:12/04/2003

    • Trail UpdateHey Jeff-What Fullerton Loop are you riding that's 33.5 miles w/ 1,400' elevation change?
      miznax

      Posted:12/04/2003

    • Trail UpdateHEY LANCE-Since this thread is about trail conditions on the Fully Loop, I'd recommend installing Stan's Tubeless System. No more pinch flats or flats forever.
      Ride rating: Expert
      Ride distance: 33.5 miles Elevation change: 1400
      Singletrack=80% Truck Trail=20%
      Jeff Jarvis a 34 year old Downhiller riding a n Azonic that I need to sell bad @ Ridemonkey.com from Trabuco Canyon

      Posted:12/04/2003

    • Trail UpdatePinch Flats...-I was running about 42psi in the rear tire. I am 5'10" 165 lbs. I do like jumping off things so I'll probably look for a tire with thicker sidewalls. Just hate the added weight in the back. Makes climbing no fun.
      Lance a 23 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Kona Roast from La Habra

      Posted:12/04/2003

    • Trail UpdateAir Presure-Try a little more air in the tires
      Ride rating: Expert
      Hot air a Racer

      Posted:12/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateSlime-slime works well but is kinda heavy too. I'm 230lbs and can't ride without it.
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a WHEELCHAIR from Lahabra

      Posted:12/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoopdeloop...-Yes, I went skiing down harbor blvd on Sunday. Very fun.

      Loop is the best it will ever be right now. Great workout. Anybody now of a good puncture & pinch flat resistant tire that is 2.1? I am running Tioga Factory DH 2.1s but the sidewalls are paperthin so I am running thorn resistant tubes in the rear. Feels like I have led in the back. Running regular tubes I pinch flatted about 5 times in 3 rides. Any help is appreciated.
      Lance a 23 year old riding a Kona Roast from La Habra

      Posted:12/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-I did this trail Friday am. It was 22 degrees and the hills on the south side had 4 to 6inches of snow.
      This was the first time I had done this in the winter.
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Ride distance: 14.6 miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=100%
      Mr Snow a Racer from Moab Utah

      Posted:12/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullest Loop??-33.5 miles, 1400 ft. elevation, one of the finest trails in America? Are you sure you aren't talking about some loop in Utah?
      Rayzorx a 48 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Stumpjumper Pro Hardtail from West Covina

      Posted:12/01/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullest Loop-is the greatest...thanks to Bullitt. The trail is in wonderful shape and very challenging this time of year.
      If you haven't done this trail, this week, you are truly missing out on one of America's finest trails. Keep the trails open - vote Republican.
      Ride rating: Expert
      Ride distance: 33.5 miles Elevation change: 1,400
      Singletrack=80% Truck Trail=20%
      Jeff Jarvis a 34 year old Racer riding a Azonic - please buy my Azonic at Ridemonkey - from Trabuco Cyn

      Posted:12/01/2003

    • Trail UpdateFully Loaded-I rode the fuel also and it is great but you need to ride the new VT.. That is the bike of the year!
      a Weekend Warrior riding a Trek Fuel from Fullerton

      Posted:11/25/2003

    • Trail UpdateLiquid-I had to get up at the crack of dawn to work on Sat.
      By the time I was finished I only had the time for a quick ride - Loop it is!
      When I reached the courthouse, I saw the Trek trailer as I had hoped.
      I signed a waiver and grabbed a fully XTR Liquid. Play time! Bontrager everything else, including tubeless wheels.
      This was my first ride on a full suspension rig other than in a parking lot - Hmmm that will have to change - amazing how easy all the bumps in the trail were.
      It had a Swinger shock and a Minute fork with swinger technology too. Very nice and supple. I was totally DHing! Much less body fatigue.
      It was built up light, so the climbing was very nice.
      I kinda liked the dual control stuff - more than I thought I would. Not flimsy at all. It does need some adjustability though.
      The trail was in great shape, which made for a very quick spin.
      When I was finished I was given a JAX business card which was good for a water bottle, PowerBar, stickers and a $10 gift card.
      A new bike to ride, no sell tactics and free goodies - not too bad!

      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      a Weekend Warrior riding a Trek Liquid from Marketingville

      Posted:11/23/2003

    • Trail UpdateLocation Location Location-Go to the posting on 6-19-03 for details on Acacia Park trail. Its clean, fast, and a lot of tech stuff. Starts at Acacia School and goes to Yorba Linda Blvd, down in the ditch. See you there Sat morning 6:30. Then to ride the new bikes then back to the park.
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Singletrack=100% Dirt Road=100%
      a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a gainst the wind

      Posted:11/21/2003

    • Trail UpdateDam Slope-I have done that trail too. It is easy compared to the trail that goes through Acacia Park. I hope to get on the trail early tomorrow perhaps as early as 6:30am. Anyone interested?
      John
      john

      Posted:11/21/2003

    • Trail UpdateCement Dam Slope/Trail...-Iggy, I've gone down the cement slope behind the dam. Nothing exiting, Tons of glass at the bottom so don't fall. If your looking for a technical climbing challenge try going up the steep dirt slope with a pipe running across. This is about 50 feet north and on the east slope near the dam. Good luck!

      Trail is superb. I've been riding the last couple times with a light for the first time. Trail is awesome. Next to the golf course there are some HUGE plants that grew to about 6 feet high in no time.

      By the way, Where is the Acacia park trail? Does it run down near the runoff creek and through the greenbelt? Is it really worth it with that scummy creek running by?

      Ride on.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Lance a 23 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Kona Roast from La Habra

      Posted:11/21/2003

    • Trail UpdateChannel 3-Folks some of this info may be a little off, I had done the the Dam, Hillcrest and Acacia, then some tri tip a red hook and two bowls of ice cream, I was zoning. Then I turned on the TV to nod off. Channel 3 had the Fullerton council meeting. There is a proposal to increase the horse stables behind the dam from 2 acres to 9 acres and allowing up to 15 horses per acre and possibly more. This is the east end of the basin. If you think this conflicts with the ideals of Fullerton call your rep. Again some of this maybe a little off. Current laws prohibit developement, but it only takes a pen to change that. Oh yeah those in favor said the bikes go 90 through there.

      Has anyone gone down the cement dam slope. I can go up but I would rather follow the trail down.

      Did hillcrest no touchie. A little trouble at Acacia Park its just too darn technical. By the way thanks to who ever made the jump by the bridge.

      Iggy
      Iggy riding a t the spped of light.

      Posted:11/20/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop Cyclecross-Thanks for the update.. I saw a guy out Monday morning on a red one just going like the wind... pretty cool. The trail has been so nice.. keep up the weather and we will have a great season
      riding a Kona

      Posted:11/18/2003

    • Trail UpdateAwesome Ride-The trail is in Awesome condition. Thanks to all the rain we've received.. Trek and Gary Fisher bikes were there behind the Court house testing out their 04' bikes. I beleive anyone can go out and test them but you'd have to leave your bike with them along with your Drivers Lic. I beleive they'll be there again on Sat Nov 22nd. So go out and check them out.. I wish I could but i'll be too busy that day..
      DALE no offense but don't start this non-sense Horse Manuer subject.
      3Tweny5 a 25 year old Weekend Warrior riding a 04' KHS XC304 from FULLERTON

      Posted:11/17/2003

    • Trail UpdateHorse Droppings-I got a flat on my bike last night when I went for a ride with my wife....nothing better then getting off my ride and stepping into a nice heaping pile of warm horse maneur, I saw the lady who was riding the horse about 10 minutes further down the ways and I gladly thanked her for the lovely treat....too bad its a bit late for Halloween. Isnt there a law that prohibits horse maneur on the trails? Cant they get some decency and kick it to the side or something? Maybe they should set up a local class for the horse riders out there called horse shit 101. cause quite frankly, this IS horse shit.
      Dale a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Santa Cruz Blur from Yorba Linda

      Posted:11/17/2003

    • Trail UpdateCyclocross...-the guys you seen riding "road bikes" are probably riding cyclocross bikes. basically, it's a mtn. bike in a road bike's body. once, a guy on a cx bike passed me like i was standing still, and i ain't no slow poke either!!! thought about doing the loop last night, but i think i would have got caught in the rain. oh well, maybe a mon. morning ride.
      kam a 28 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Dean Duke from Cudahy

      Posted:11/16/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Killer time. Had a great time on the loop the light rains have made the trial a real treat. I have seen a few people going real fast on some type of road bike. Can some one tell me about this.. Is it faster than a Mt bike? The guys I have seen go really fsat. Ride hard
      Tom a 41 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a GT from Fullerton

      Posted:11/15/2003

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-TRAIL HAS BEEN SMOOTHED OVER NEAR THE GOLFCOURSE TUNNEL. CONDTIONS ARE PERFECT. I HAVE A BLAST RIDING THE CROSSBIKE THRU THESE URBAN TRAILS.
      TK II a Cross-Country Rider riding a SURLY CROSSCHECK

      Posted:11/15/2003

    • Trail UpdateRe: John-I looked on a map of Fullerton, and it shows the behind-the-dam area as a lake. It's supposed to be a "flood water catchment" or something, and I don't think people are allowed to build there. I guess that's why there aren't houses all over our sacred singletrack. Anyway, the trails are looking beautiful because of the rain, but watch out for new ruts coming down the hills. Also, watch out for that puddle right before the two tunnels. It got worse!
      Mountainbike Mike a Cross-Country Rider riding a pretty nice bike from Fullerton

      Posted:11/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateMuddy?-We didn't get much rain this time, but let's remember when we get a bigger storm to let the trails dry out a bit. Now if only we could get that message to the horses.

      Posted:11/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateMuddy Morning-The trail was a little muddy but still in great condition.
      miznax

      Posted:11/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateI agree the trail is in good shape. Watch for a low branch on the steep part of the down stream side of the dam. I try to take my saw. I have been doing the Acacia Park loop it is quite fun and a challenge. If the rains eliminate the trails behind the dam, how do they get rebuilt. Do the trails stay after the water has drained? I have heard that St. Jude Hospital will use the entrance to the ball park off Bast. to accesss upcoming hospital parking to be built behind the dam ? Can anyone confirm this. Also how is the Craig park trail coming.

      John riding a gain in Troy's dust

      Posted:11/11/2003

    • Trail UpdateNight Loop...-Rode the trail for the first time with a light! Trail is very fun but can't do any jumps with a light battery on the bike- oh well. Thank the bike gods for the rain. Trail is in tip top shape.
      Lance a 23 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Kona Roast from La Habra, CA

      Posted:11/10/2003

    • Trail UpdateBigger Puddle-The little ditch and puddle before tunnels has turned in to a small creek. I don't know where the water is coming from - maybe St. Jude. Watch your line because there's a ditch with running water all the way down to the first tunnel.
      Iguana riding a BSA from Fullerton

      Posted:11/08/2003

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-ANOTHER PERFECT DAY!
      TK II a 33 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a SURLY CROSSCHECK from BREA

      Posted:11/08/2003

    • Trail UpdateFAST-The loop is tooooo good to be true.. This is the type of conditions we live for. No dust, tacky and FAST!
      Thank you mother nature
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a VT 2 from Fullerton

      Posted:11/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateTGIC!-Thank God it's cold! Beautiful weather. No more heat strokes on the trail... Speaking of which the loop is in great condition after the rain. Get out there while it's nice!
      Mountainbike Mike a Cross-Country Rider riding a pretty nice bike from Fullerton

      Posted:11/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-PERFECT CONDITIONS TODAY!
      TK II a 33 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a SURLY CROSCHECK from BREA

      Posted:11/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-the trail was nice after mother nature dropped some drops.... Watch out before you hit the underpass by the damm. Big hole! Go fast a keep it on 2 wheels

      Posted:11/01/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-Thanks for all the help with the lights. I bought a HID from a friend of a friend, I hope to use it tonight.

      Thanks to whoever cleared Dead Cat Pass. I almost made it all the way no touchie. I touched only at the rocks.

      Was it Jim? That I meet on the Dead Cat Pass trail a few weeks back. Hey Jim where are you? Let's ride!

      No ride is complete unless you go over the handlebars.

      John a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a scratched specialized

      Posted:10/31/2003

    • Trail UpdateDon't Mean To Digress-The worst thing about nite riding is the horse poop.
      You can't see it until its too late. Run a front fender.
      Your teeth will thank you.
      dig a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:10/28/2003

    • Trail UpdateNight Spiders }-{-The worse thing about night rides is that the spiders like to drop out of the trees once the sun goes down. Worse during summer, better in winter. Especially bad near the end of the loop before the dam. Let your unsuspecting buddies clear the way if webs freak you out.
      miznax

      Posted:10/27/2003

    • Trail UpdateNight Rider.....-Hmm, so you want a set of lights, huh? Go atleast 12w, maybe 20. A bar mount should work fine, but it gets tricky when on single track. DO check out www.mtbr.com. Bar vs. helmet is a personal thing and it's been discussed there many times. A few night rides and you'll figure out what's best for you. That said, $350 for lights or even a HID system isn't necessary. I run a Jet Lites 20W Starfire single bar system (with a 3-level optional dimmer, so I can get 2-3 hrs. or burn, depending on the intensity of the light, NuMH battery with a quick/smart charger). My system was about $200. You can get a simpler system for as low as $125 from jetlites.com, they have a great system onsale there and their system sare moduloar, so you can upgrade later. I may also get a Marwi NightPro helmet system (12w, about 2hrs of burn) for about $90.

      Night riding can make a trail like Fullerton become really really fun and much more challenging (not to mention make you a better overall rider).
      Kam a 28 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Custom Steel Single Speed from L.A.

      Posted:10/27/2003

    • Trail UpdateNeed More Than 10 Watts-Bar lights work fine if you're familiar with the trail. Helmet lights are real handy on single track. You don't have to spend a fortune, though. I bought a Cygolite ni-cad twin (10w + 15w) bar mount last year at Performance for under $100. It works good on the loop, and I add a 15w Turbocat helmet light if I'm in unfamiliar territory.

      Before you buy, check out the lighting reviews at http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/lights/

      Trail update - the City carved a new stretch between the Valencia Mesa bridge and Bastanchury. They also removed a pine tree and planted some pepper trees.
      Iguana riding a Pogo Stick from Fullerton

      Posted:10/26/2003

    • Trail Update$$$ Bling Bling $$$-I would say dig down deep into your wallet and make the investment in a good H.I.D. light ~$375 OUCH! But you'll be glad you did. I am. Helmet or handlebar mounts, you can experiment with, they're inexpensive compared to the cost of a good light.
      miznax

      Posted:10/23/2003

    • Trail UpdateLights-I can only speak for myself but I prefer a helmet mounted light so you can train the beam wherever you want. bar mounted lights can freak out your equilibrium on side hills and around tight corners. The brighter the better, the lighter the better. Look at the run time at full power there's nothing worse than trying to finnish a ride on a moonless night with a butterscotch drop for lights. p.s. with a helmet mounted light you have to break the habit of looking people in the eye when you talk to them. dooh!
      Ride distance: Elevation change:
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a wheelchair from Lahabra

      Posted:10/22/2003

    • Trail UpdateNight Light Time...-After sunday we'll be in the dark so I'm going to get a night let. I've never been on the loop in the dark before. I am in questino as to what kind of light I need. I am looking at a 10W light. Will this be sufficient for the loop. Any recomendations from night riders would be appreciated.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Lance a 23 year old riding a Kona Roast from La Habra

      Posted:10/22/2003

    • Trail UpdateWhere's The Beef?-Where's all the poop everyone's talking about?
      miznax

      Posted:10/21/2003

    • Trail UpdatePoop Loop-hey I have a great idea.. Just do like I do and ride through the poop.....Or when you see a fresh pile just do kickout and try to make it hit your buddy..... Hey ad some spice to your life... Who needs to eat powerbars just pull over and grap some horse poop it is just a bunch of grass....
      a Weekend Warrior riding a VT 2 from Fullerton

      Posted:10/18/2003

    • Trail UpdateSTOP WHININ' START RIDIN'-If you can't get outta the way of non-movin' poop, then you need to upgrade your skills, got it? Horse riders aren't gonna p/u after themselves, get over it already.
      Wyraus a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a bike from there

      Posted:10/15/2003

    • Trail UpdateHORSE SH!T TRAIL-I Second that!!!! JUST SHUT UP AND RIDE.........
      3Tweny5 a 25 year old Weekend Warrior riding a 2004 KHS XC304 from FULLERTON

      Posted:10/15/2003

    • Trail UpdateHORSE SH!T TRAIL-This is all a pile of horse sh!t
      shut up and RIDE!!!!!!
      Rush Limbaught a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a horse pile jumper from The Orange Curtain

      Posted:10/15/2003

    • Trail UpdatePoop On The Loop-It doesn't matter whether or not they want to carry a sack of crap on their back, if they weren't in the middle of Los Angeles they wouldn't have to. Dog owners in the country don't have to pick up after their dogs when they crap, but this isn't the country. That's why we have dog-crap laws. Horse crap is no different. And they wouldn't even have to carry it for their whole ride, just to the nearest trash can. Personally, I don't want the horse crap falling into the gutters during the rain, then flowing to the ocean where I boogie board in it in the summer...
      Mountainbike Mike a Cross-Country Rider riding a Customized Trek 800 from Fullerton

      Posted:10/14/2003

    • Trail UpdateLet's Stop This MADDNESS!!!-let's all stop this whinning and face the fact that NO horse rider will EVER pick up after their animals. No horse rider will ever wanna carry a sack-o-shit on their saddle along with a shovel. would you?
      if your bike rider like I am. do your self a favor and give yourself an extra lil challege and maneuver or bunny hop over the steaming pile of crap... do what ever you want just stop the whinning on this site.. whinning on this site will not solve anything.!!!!
      a 25 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant Warp DS1 from FULLERTON

      Posted:10/10/2003

    • Trail UpdateManure-It seems to me that bikes don't leave behind steaming piles, so you're preaching to the choir here. Find a message board for Fullerton equestrians, and ask them to put diapers on their animals or pick up their droppings. Good luck! And don't hold your breath, it's not gonna happen. Maybe we all carry giant pooper-scoopers on our bikes.

      Also, it seems the city does a lot (too much?) to maintain the trails, so I don't see that much work necessary by us. Note that I don't consider "adding jumps" to be necessary trail maintenance.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 miles Elevation change: little
      Tombiker a 45 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Gigantic from Fullerton

      Posted:10/10/2003

    • Trail UpdateOne More Time-Ok. I am going to try and clarify this one more time. I am not talking about repairing damage done by rain or plant growth, which, let me know when you are going out and I would like to come and pitch in. I have been trying to find out more about this myself. But I digress. What I am talking about is picking up your own garbage. At least pack out what you pack in. That goes for trash, food, and even animal waste. I apologize if I came off a little annoyed, but this original post came after taking my dog for a walk the day before and having to walk on the curb to avoid a huge pile of steaming horse manure on the sidewalk leading up to a bridal trail (I have even found this problem on the sidewalks in the shopping center near where I live). Let's not turn this into a whine about how somebody pitches in more than others. That is a different issue entirely, and definately a worthy one. What I'm talking about here is responsibilty for self, in the simplest of ways... pick up after yourself. Thank you.
      Kevin

      Posted:10/08/2003

    • Trail UpdateKevin-Read you're own posting. I've spent many hours with a shovel and hoe on hot afternoons working on the loop and have'nt seen you there. When was the last time anyone besides the bald guy did any work on the loop????
      We've tried to organize a group for over 2 years with no response from the bikers. I can count on one hand the number of people who work on the loop on a regular basis. Why don't you organize a crew to maintain the trail?

      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a WHEELCHAIR from Lahabra

      Posted:10/08/2003

    • Trail UpdateClarification-There seems to be some misconception about what has been said by others and myself about the horse waste on the trail. Look, I don't just ride the trail. I also walk it. Sometimes with my children, sometimes with my dog, and I don't appreciate taking my children to Laguna Lake park and finding horse manure all over. I also don't appreciate finding it all over the sidewalks leading up to the trails. Look people, horse riding just like moutain biking is a hobby, and we are all responsible for the impact that our hobbies have on society. All I am saying is that if you are going to leave waste on the trails, or damage it, then you had better be prepared to take responsibilty for it. This is a shared trail and we ALL have a responsibility to maintain it. If anything by just picking up after ourselves and/or our animals.
      Kevin a Weekend Warrior riding a GT and Mongoose from Fullerton

      Posted:10/07/2003

    • Trail UpdateLearn To Bunny Hop The Crap!!-The way i see it, the more horse crap on the trail, the more i bunny hop!
      BULLIT riding a 5th Elemental Santa Cruz Bullit

      Posted:10/03/2003

    • Trail UpdateLooking For Fun-I am a regular on the Fullerton trail. I am looking for a good trail to do tomorrow. I prefer the tech stuff, like dead cat pass on the loop, single track, shade, no people. Does any one have a suggestion?
      John a 42.99 year old riding a gain in Troy's dust

      Posted:10/03/2003

    • Trail UpdateCoyote Hills-Hey, would'nt it be great if the loop was expanded?
      go to www.coyotehills.org get involved. The plan calls for an eastern loop around coyote hills. but will it be a mountainbike freindly trail or a walking trail? go to mapquest.com and check out the aerial photo. Tons of trails on the other side of the fence!!!
      Ride distance: more miles Elevation change:
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a wheelchair from Lahabra

      Posted:10/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-yeah some old lady on horse told me that too (as i was on my way to the tunnels) "10 years ago this was a horse only trail" well 10 years ago there was a lot more open land. i told her in a nice way "i'm not the one developing all of orange county" quite frankly
      i think fullerton is too small to fit horses and now what, another 6000 homes or something like that. i would rather have the horses than all the houses ,but money talks and horse sh!t gets a house built on it.the trail is dusty except for those mystery puddles
      oh yeah REMEMBER CHEVRON? not too long ago they ran ads about the tiki moth and "people care" well coyotes, la habra and fullerton don't count.
      ride on and see you at the rampage in virgin,utah
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: Elevation change: up and down
      bungle a Downhiller riding a whatever is working at the time

      Posted:09/30/2003

    • Trail UpdateShort Memory-Just remember that the trails you are riding were conceived, planned and implemented a long time ago by the equestrians. Horse poop sucks but sh*t happens.
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a wheelchair from Lahabra

      Posted:09/30/2003

    • Trail UpdateHorse Manure-I live right next to the Fullerton Loop and ride it all the time. I have always been polite and nice to the equestrians on the trail, but have gotten nothing but rude comments from them, many of whom can't be older that 14 years old. Anyway, the horse manure is way out of hand. Not only do I ride, but I walk my dog (which I clean up after. It is a law) and I take my kids to Laguna Lake park that is often covered with horse waste. Frankly I have about had it. These equestrians seem to be nothing but a bunch of fat, lazy takers, who give nothing back to society accept bad attitudes and horse s__t.
      Kevin a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT and Mongoose from Fullerton

      Posted:09/29/2003

    • Trail UpdateThat's What I'm Sayin-exactly what I said on one of my previous update.. "keep an eye out for HORSESH*T" Horse riders will never pick up after their animals. Otherwise they'd have to carry a shovel for picking up and a backpack of somesort full of horseSH*T.. If i was a horserider I wouldn't wanna do that shit.. Like they say.. "If you can't beat'em Join'em"
      NO current update about the fullerton loop from me. I'll be out for a few more weeks due to a fractured bone on my wrist..
      3Tweny5 a 25 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant Warp DS2 from FULLERTON

      Posted:09/26/2003

    • Trail UpdateHorsing Around-Amen, I have tried to be nice to the horse people, all I ever hear is complaints. I never saw a horse person clean the trail, do maintenance, or even pick up after themselves. Ride fast. Do Dead Cat Pass.

      Iggy riding a getting old

      Posted:09/26/2003

    • Trail UpdatePIE HIGHWAY-A front fender is a must, especially when night riding!!!
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a WHEELCHAIR from Lahabra

      Posted:09/26/2003

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-i love the loop, i mean love. every rut , dust cloud ,the smell of the plants i love it.i've been out for a while due to surgerey ,but i'll be back to dominate ,but i love the loop
      bungle a 29 year old Downhiller riding a riding whatever is working at the time

      Posted:09/25/2003

    • Trail UpdateTrail Maintenance Workshop-Saturday, October 11, 9:30 a.m., Craig Regional Park. Topics -

      1. Water bars can be your friend! A properly-installed and maintained water bar is a mountain biker's best buddy. Unfortunately too many are neither installed nor maintained correctly. We're going to install two water bars so you can look at different materials and techniques for improving drainage. We'll also take a look at an example of a drainange diversion that is somewhat less than successful and discuss "winterizing" your trails NOW rather than fixing eroded trails in the spring.
      2. Trailside chainsaw massacre? A properly-brushed trail looks completely unmaintained to most users. Unfortunately too many trees and shrubs get scalped by well-meaning but untrained trail workers. We'll practice a little trail-and-plant-friendly pruning that will save you time and be good for the habitat along the trail.
      3. Don't be a tool, fool: Know the difference between a Pulaski and a mattock? Ever seen a combi-tool in action? We'll spend a few minutes looking a different trail tools.
      4. Trail ride? Bring your bike if you want to take a ride on the Fullerton Loop or head over to Chino Hills SP afterward.

      Refreshments (of the non-fermented or -distilled variety) will be available - okay, water and ClifBars, but that beats a sharp stick in the eye. (That reminds me - we'll talk about safety, too.) There's no charge - donations to help with renovating the park nature center are encouraged.

      RSVP to my e-mail by October 10 and your parking will be comp'ed for the day.

      Hope to see you.
      DeRanger a 38 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Rocky Mountain Blizzard from OC .com

      Posted:09/25/2003

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-Rec. trail is in good condition. A bit loose at times. Took the crossbike out for the first time. The road gearing made it more challenging on the loose climbs. Very fun urban assault trail. Keep it slow around the horses and such.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 18miles Elevation change: little

      Posted:09/24/2003

    • Trail UpdateSatruday Morning Rides-Hi folks,
      My friends and I do the Loop every Saturday morning. We're not an expert downhill group. We just love to ride. If you are interested, please meet us at the courthouse by 6:20am.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12miles Elevation change:
      Imapodaddy a 26 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Gary Fisher Tarpon from Fullerton

      Posted:09/12/2003

    • Trail UpdateLost, First Time Loop Rider..-Thanks for the tip JC…
      I finally rode the Loop today for the first time. Tried to follow JC’s tip by following the “Freeway” but still got lost. I started at The Courthouse By 76 gas station and managed to get to the Big-O-Water tank and headed downhill to Rosecrans by Ralph B. Clark Regional Park. After that! I was lost I couldn’t find the other side of the trail. I ended up taking Rosecrans to Gilbert to Bastanchury to Euclid to Chapman and finally back to Harbor.
      Could anyone tell me where to find the other entrance of the trail from Rosecrans that will lead me back to the court house? I’m trying to find the main course (“Freeway”) for now. I will venture off using the single track trails later on..
      JC, I did keep an eye out for those off shoots sigle tracks. can't wait to get on them..
      Thanx in advance…
      Ohh and this site is suppose to update trail conditions right? There is a lot of horse Sh!# !! so keep an eye out for that !!!

      3tweny5 a 25 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Nishiki from Fullerton

      Posted:09/11/2003

    • Trail UpdateKeep An Eye Out.....3twenny5-Hey 325...
      I'm going to throw this out there for you, so you don't come back whining about how crappy the loop is. Mostly in response to those out there that think the loop is just an equestrian/multi-use trail. Of course you could just follow the multi-use and say you did it, and formulate an opinion on it, but in reality, it's the little single tracks all along the multi-use trail, that make the loop for me. I basically only ride the multi-use trail to link up the more challenging, and fun, single track portions. So keep an eye out, as you pedal along the "freeway" portions of the ride, there will be little off-shoots that will take off from the multi-use trail, and rejoin it in another spot. Take these, explore them, because this is where the fun stuff will be for your Nishiki. Some are quick little drops, others are windy through the trees, but they pretty much all will come back down onto the multi-use trail, so you can complete a loop. In particular, as you pedal along Bastanchury, the trail will take you behind the houses, as you start to ascend, there is a left hand exit from the "freeway" into the eucalyptus trees. This is a fun little single track. Also at the top of Grissom Park, when you cross over Parks Ave, head left up a small incline, and about 50' in there is a right hand drop off, take this into a neat but short little single track that goes through the ravine...nice little roller-coaster as you drop in and climb out. Another fun one is when you exit Laguna Lake Park and cross the street, you'll be dumped onto the "freeway" multi-use trail, look up to the right, there will be a single track there that parallels the multi-use trail up on top of the bank between the trail and the homes. It's these little sections that keep me coming back to ride the loop, no matter what any of the South-County Snobs say about how lame it is. Your best bet though, is to hook up with somebody in the parking lot and tag along with them, hopefully they can lead you to the good stashes along the way.
      JC a 31 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Liquid from Brea

      Posted:09/10/2003

    • Trail UpdateSuggestions...-I really would recommend going with someone. Try www.socamtbr.com for a map, but someone whose gone before will help. The trail cuts off and picks up in weird spots. Took me about 5 times to find the actual way. Good luck!
      Lance a 23 year old riding a 2001 Kona Roast from Fullerton

      Posted:09/10/2003

    • Trail Update3tweny5-Hey people, i'm a new rider. i've never riden Fullerton loop. I ride at Aliso and Woods Canyon, but I will be riding the Loop this thursday morning for the first time. any suggestions? by the way i'll be on a downhill Nishiki Bike,
      3Tweny5 a 25 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Nishiki Blazer FS from FULLERTON

      Posted:09/09/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop Ending...-Hey N. Yes, you went the right way. The route in your book that used to go down to where the new AAA building is is closed now, I'm pretty sure.

      Another way to go at the end, instead of taking the milder hill to the gate is to go up the steeper hill on your left. You can choose any of the lower trails and they all eventually come down to behind the driving range or at the little park.

      Trail condition: Trail is sandy, sandy up most of the hills. Pray for short hard rain. Couldn't believe it-- Last time I was coming down Mormon Hill I was flying off the cement drop off and quickly braked to a stop after i saw the 2 horses about 100 feet down. I was creeping along and going to follow slowly behind to the end of the hill. To my surprise they both riders looked back and saw me and stepped their horses to the side and let me by! I crept by slowly and they said "thank you for stopping". My last encounters with riders have not been so pleasant. I thanked them back and finished the rest of the ride with a smile on my face. There is a lot of drama going on on this trail. It is a "city" ride, though, and a little "on your right" or "thank you", even if you are out of breath will go a long way. Some people are going to be idiots no matter what you do, oh well. Nice to know some of the horse riders aren't rich snobby house wives withing nothing else to do than yell at us.


      Ride rating: Novice
      Lance a 23 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Kona Roast from Fullerton

      Posted:09/08/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop. Great!-Hey all,
      I have successfully negotiated my way around Fullerton loop, after a couple of times of trying. It is a lot of fun! But how do you finish it, I still get lost by the Driving Range according the instructions in the Mountain Biking OC Book. I dont see any culvert, I dont see any path that has golf balls on it, and I cant find the trail that comes out by the National.( or now its AAA.) I take the fire road up, to where i see a big cement dam with lots of graffiti on it, and take a right, follow the fire road up and then down, thru a gate that crosses the road, and then off into a gap in the fence down through a park, and come out by the youth hostel and the parking lot for the driving range. Is this right?
      See ya on the trail. Riding my chromoly Univega from 1988.

      N

      Posted:09/07/2003

    • Trail UpdateHills?-From the basin behind Brea Dam, climb the Lost Trail to Brea Blvd. Cross the road at the signal and turn left (north) on the trail that parallels Brea Blvd., then right (east) at Bastanchury Rd. The trail climbs up to the Panorama Nature Preserve at the top of the hill, situated between the golf course and the Summit House restaurant (at the corner of State College and Bastanchury).

      You can descend to the west and loop around the golf course to get back to the Lost Trail or retrace your steps along Bastanchury. One recommendation: if you're riding the trail after dark, retrace your steps - you avoid riding along behind the neighbors' houses, and they don't have to listen to their dogs barking or having our lights shining in their windows. Courtesy equals access.

      It's not a great climb, but it's better than anything on the loop itself.

      DeRanger a 38 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Rocky Mountain Blizzard from OC

      Posted:09/04/2003

    • Trail UpdateJust Testing-I wish the Loop had more hills.
      Rayzorx a 47 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Fuji Diamond 3 from West Covina

      Posted:09/04/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-The loop was a lot of fun tonight... Who really cares what bike you ride as long as you ride! and as for the racing aspect I really do not see any thing wrong with trying to improve your personal time.. You can go REAL fast and not be a danger to anyone on the trail. When you think you are fast then go try to set your own best time and HAVE fun! p.s. to the cool dude that broke is leg and is in a wheel chair. The fence pole is bent from where you crashed! You hit that thing HARD! Hurry up and get back on your bike!!!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant the only bike from Fullerton!

      Posted:09/03/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-Hey Jim,
      We missed you last night, we did the Acacia Park thingy then the dam and back good work out. Maybe friday night?

      Granted that some people aren't polite to the horse folk on the trail, let's call them 1%ers. What percent of the horse folk pick up after their horses on the trail.

      My favorite are the joggers with the headphones that act like your riding through their bathtub.


      skoshi riding a bike at warp speed on Dead Cat Pass

      Posted:09/03/2003

    • Trail UpdateI Thought We Were Watching-Scooby Doo.
      Carlton a 41 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Specialized M5 hard tail from Walnut

      Posted:08/29/2003

    • Trail UpdateArmor-Yes I wear full armor, (with a trap door) does'nt everyone?
      smarter than you a Downhiller riding a downhill bike

      Posted:08/29/2003

    • Trail UpdateSHUT UP & RIDE-Trail is good condition. Plenty people out.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Gee a 28 year old Racer riding a GT Special from LOS ANGELES

      Posted:08/29/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-Anyone up for a ride tonight, starting at 6:30. Meet in Acacia Park near Dead Cat Pass. Troy left some Red Hooks at the RM80 Ground Support Substation, I'll share them with anyone who can do the trail without touching their feet. Oh and by the way better leave that tricycle parked next to the Harley.
      John riding a Montgomery Ward

      Posted:08/29/2003

    • Trail UpdateDude, a downhill bike on the loop???? Are you kidding??? bawhahahahahahahahahhahahahahhha....do you wear full armor when you take a crap? The Euclid "downhill" is called a bump, not a "downhill". You would get more elevation loss by riding a slide at the park that the trail goes through.

      Posted:08/28/2003

    • Trail UpdateMy Apologies:-Let me rephrase the term "idiot" into this: someone riding a grossly overkilled rig on a trail that many could accomplish riding a tricycle on for the sake of "getting a better workout". How's that? Like I said, just do the loop twice :)

      Posted:08/28/2003

    • Trail UpdateMore Like It-Thanks, for getting into a big fight over the loop again. I'm in a chair for a few more months with a broken leg and this page was getting pretty boring. I do resent being called an idiot because i ride a downhill bike on the loop. Next time i pass you on the euclid downhill don't expect me to share the slurpee in my drink holder.
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a wheelchair from Lahabra

      Posted:08/28/2003

    • Trail UpdateWhy Bother-Funny how this little trail gets so much fuss made over it. I used to live right next to the loop in Fullerton and enjoyed early afternoon ride, before the racers and trail bosses arrived. I don't ride the loop anymore because of the calibre of riders that use the trail these days. It is a great "fun ride", accommodating many levels of riders. However, one too many "racers" nearly ran me off the trail, our shall I say the race track. I also hate the snarls and looks of disdain that I got from walkers and equestrians, who have likely become calloused by the same inconsiderate MTB'ers.

      The irony is that this isn't really a MTB trail, nor what MTB is about to most true riders. There are few real challenges and no real need to get out of the big ring, at all. Yet, real men with real messages to send about their riding prowess come hear by the dozens.

      I hope the Loop never closes, because then all the riff-raff might end up on the other trails in the region that are yet untainted by the attitude so frequently displayed on this 11-mile jogging trail.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 11 miles Elevation change: little
      MH a Old enough year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a somewhere far from the loop crowd from not your neighborhood

      Posted:08/27/2003

    • Trail UpdateJust Do It Twice.-Instead of riding a downhill bike and looking like an idiot, why not just do the loop twice! That is a good workout, you don't have to race around once in record time either. Who cares how fast you can ride the loop, I sure don't. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding in this precious moment.

      Posted:08/27/2003

    • Trail UpdateCarlton-If you want to challenge yourself on the loop do what I do, ride your 45lb downhill bike. It's great exercise and when you get back on your x-country bike it will feel like a feather. The loop is not a race course. You can have lots of fun on the loop without
      giving bikers a bad name. Rip on the singletrack sections where the horses and walkers don't go, but slow down on the common areas. These trails were constructed for horses and walkers long before bikes arrived. Thats why they demand your respect.
      Ride distance: Elevation change:
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Wheelchair for now from Lahabra

      Posted:08/27/2003

    • Trail UpdateGive It A Rest Trail Boss-That’s just exercise. Go whine to your wife.
      Carlton a 41 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Cannondale from Walnut

      Posted:08/26/2003

    • Trail UpdateHow To Wreck A Trail!-The Fullerton Loop exists only through the fragile cooperation of the many users that are on it daily. What you are discussing on this thread is the surest way to get a trail enjoyed by hundreds of people weekly closed to bikes because you are either too insecure to race at a real race or too ignorant to look for places where you can let it rip and not run over children and spook horses. (Corona, Fontana, Big Bear, etc) You must be asking for this contest because you don't know MTB history, for example how all the trail conflict issues started in Nor Cal.
      It takes a man to line up for a race, and only an idiot could think of doing that in a city where horses, families and beginners are in your path.
      Race on a race course, not in a park

      Posted:08/26/2003

    • Trail UpdateTree Gone-I have been working out now for a year. I feel that I can hold my own against most of the people I meet on the trail. I was hoping to compete on a small scale. Are there any Fullerton Bike competitions, I've been enjoying the X games. How about at Craig Park, will that section have a downhill course. Also that trail in Acacia Park the tree is gone, kudos to ya'. Where does the group meet and when I think I'm good enough to show you youngin' a thing or two.
      Skoshi a 42.5 year old riding a a bit to high

      Posted:08/26/2003

    • Trail UpdateHow Fast?-I did it in 00:46 min. last Thursday. Whose racen?
      Carlton a 41 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Cannondale from Walnut

      Posted:08/25/2003

    • Trail UpdateNot A Race Course-Using a multiple-use trail as a race course is a Bad Idea.

      DeRanger a 38 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Rocky Mountain Blizzard from OC .com

      Posted:08/25/2003

    • Trail UpdateHow Fast?-We ride the loop on Sunday mornings and the fastest so far is 1:15:00. I'm curious to see how fast others go.

      Thanks
      David a 46 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek 4700 from Yorba Linda

      Posted:08/25/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Thanks to the people who fixed the run down to Euclid.. No more sand and no more rutts!!!Ride fast and keep it one two wheels
      riding a Kona from Fullerton

      Posted:08/22/2003

    • Trail UpdateFlyin'-The trail is a blast, ok a bit soft. And what about that fallen tree in the Acacia Park section. Will the city fix that or is it up to us. I don't have a chain saw. I apoligize to the people on bikes that I flew by in my record jumping attempt, no harm. I hope you enjoyed my flight though you did distract me from reaching orbit. See you.

      riding a bit too high

      Posted:08/20/2003

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-From now on, you'll be seeing a lot more of me on this trail.
      Jeff Jarvis

      Posted:08/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateShe's Breakin' Up!!!-Almost crashed in the sand. The heat and dry are ruining the trail...hang in there until the rain comes. May want to pick up some light reading for the wait, War and Peace comes to mind...
      Mountainbike Mike a Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek from Fullerton

      Posted:08/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Too hot to ride. I can't wait to get some cooler weather. The loop needs rain!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a GT from Fullerton

      Posted:08/08/2003

    • Trail UpdateLOOP-We need rain the trail is getting torn up.....
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a IBIS from Fullerton

      Posted:08/06/2003

    • Trail UpdateDirt Getting Very Soft-Pretty much of the Fullerton loop is getting very soft especially crossing over Euclid then going down in, and then climbing up the hill where there is railroad ties. Very soft, hard to climb. But overall the trail is great when climbing the back of the trail up to the water storage tank. URL: http://www.mybikesite.com/socal/trails/fullerto.htm

      Posted:07/29/2003

    • Trail UpdateTree Blocking Tunnel-Rode tonight and was surprised to not to see any light at the end of the tunnel. The left tunnel is mostly blocked by a large limb that has fallen. The right tunnel is clear. Shouldn't be a problem in daylight, but in the dark you don't notice it until your head light picks it up.
      Iguana a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Scooter from Fullerton

      Posted:07/26/2003

    • Trail UpdateLet The Reign Begin-Get your freak on. Bombed da loop today. My homey said the cops are lookin fer me, so I started at Laguna Lake instead of da Court House. Sick drops on to the ducks. Got me a mallard. Golfers everywhere. Full Face protection against any stray balls. Took the detour to Lost Hills Loop. Runnin 2.6's helps when yer climbin gravel. Decided reverse thru the golfers. That fairway is sweet. Headed back to tha truck. Bitchin ride. Did I miss anything?
      Ride rating: Novice
      Singletrack=5% Dirt Road=50% Paved Path=45%
      OG Loopmeister a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Santa Cruz Super 8 from The OC

      Posted:07/22/2003

    • Trail UpdateLost-Well, I did the "loop" for the first time today. Ok, I didn't really do the loop, because I got lost as well. Haha! Are there "regular" groups that ride here on certain days/nights? I'd love to meet up with some ppl and do the whole thing. (Where the heck do you go after the dead-end into Imperial Hwy?!) Also, here are the GPS coordinates for the trailhead as described above:
      33 Deg 52.770 N
      117 Deg 55.546 W
      Sean a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized from Fullerton

      Posted:07/22/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-The trail is great but getting very dry and soft. Drink lots of water. GO FAAAST
      a Weekend Warrior riding a Gary Fisher from Fullerton

      Posted:07/17/2003

    • Trail UpdateLost Trail-What is with the several-inch-deep mud hole on the "Lost Trail" (at the entrance to the new recreation park) that forms every week or two? Having to dismount and portage the bike really blows...
      a much-too-many year old Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:07/11/2003

    • Trail UpdateHhhhmmmmm....-I think you need figure out the correct way to the Loop. DOODOO

      Posted:07/10/2003

    • Trail UpdateHmmmmm-Rode here for the 5th time and I still seem to get lost! Anway's conditions are pretty good lots of bikers there too! Schabarum Park is way better than the loop IMHO better cardio and sick downhill. It has to be all the hot women I see there that attracts bikers to ride there cuz the trails there are pretty weak.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      OlbaiD a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Stinky 4:20 from THC Heights

      Posted:07/10/2003

    • Trail UpdateLOST KEYS-Someone from our group lost his keys last night on the Loop. We have no idea where. But if anyone finds a pair of keys (one should be for a Volkswagen) please contact me. Thanks.
      Leticia a 28 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant from Fullerton, CA

      Posted:07/10/2003

    • Trail UpdateLooper-Need tech riding.These guys have got me hooked on Dead Cat Pass, it is only about 400 yards long but is a full cardio workout. Anyone who says it is easy has not done it. It has gotten to the point that the Fullerton loop is more like Suburban Trail Biking, with 1000 Mindless Suburban Atheletes. I don't get the "Mountain" part. The Dead Cat Pass trail starts at the back of Acacia Elementry School and goes off and on to Yorba Linda. I'll buy the Red Hook ESB if anyone can do the whole trail without putting your foot down. OK I'll give you three touchies, cause I get daily practice, see you there at 6:30 tonight.

      Ignatowski riding a Specialized from Fullerton

      Posted:07/08/2003

    • Trail Update"looper" And Stinging Nettle-Check out the trails in Chino Hills State Park. They are all a nice ride, although you may need to hike-a-bike depending on your fitness. Know what, pretty much anywhere in Orange County is about 45 minutes away...just check out the Orange County trailhead page on this website. Also, I was doing the loop the other week and I ran into some stinging nettle (at least, I think it was stinging nettle...) on the creekside trail in the behind-the-dam area by St. Jude. It was just hanging out over the trail from the surrounting brush. Did this happen to anyone else? I'm going to avoid that trail until I can cut the plant or someone else does.
      Singletrack=5% Dirt Road=85% Paved Path=10%
      Mountainbike Mike riding a piece of junk from Fullerton

      Posted:07/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateLooper-I have ridden fullerton many times on my 24" Cruiser, fun little ride but after hitting big bear last weekend for the first time on my new full suspension bike I'd like to find something more technical than the fullerton loop. Anything within 45 minutes of fullerton loop you can suggest?
      magneto a 24 year old Weekend Warrior riding a one w/ 2 wheels

      Posted:07/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-daylight savings is making for some great rides. Trail is fast and fun!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a AC1 from Brea

      Posted:07/01/2003

    • Trail UpdateLOOP-Mr. Dig you are the man.. Thank you for trying to help out with all of use that do our weekly religious rides... Good Luck, if you contact them let us know so we can help the matter also...
      a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Kona

      Posted:06/26/2003

    • Trail UpdateMore Whining -Continued-"I am going to contact the group and either try to convince them to reschedule to wed night"

      DIG, dont you think someone rides this trail on wednesday night?
      Dont move "your" problem to the night that some of us ride!
      BULLIT riding a 5th Elemental Santa Cruz Bullit

      Posted:06/24/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-This trail is a blast.. I love the 10 ft drop in before you head down towards Euclid..... Very trickey
      riding a Fuel from Long Beach

      Posted:06/23/2003

    • Trail Update"401 Post" And "Where"-Relax Mon! Chill-out!
      You don't HAVE to come up and ride with us. It's America.
      CheeseMon a 43 year old from Yorba Linda

      Posted:06/23/2003

    • Trail UpdateHa I Am The 401 Post-rode here today and i never will again. there are too many hikers for me.i dont mind slowing down and giving room but it gets old when you have to do it every hundred yards. the trail has NO technical sections or anything remotely chalenges
      Ride rating: Beginner
      the dude a Downhiller riding a corndog from riverside

      Posted:06/21/2003

    • Trail UpdateWhere-I keep seeing where all you youngsters keep posting about this Fullerton loop place.You can't seriously call this a mountain biking local.This is a joke.Anyone who thinks they are mountain biking on these "bike paths" is only kidding them selves.Come on down to So.OC and we will show you some real mountain biking trails.This was a waste of time.Okay for the kiddies I guess.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 20miles Elevation change: ha ha
      Dirt Road=50% Paved Path=20% Truck Trail=30%
      Back Country riding a COVE G-Spot from Mission Veijo

      Posted:06/21/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-BIG Jump... Watch out for the killer new big jump on the down hill side by AAA... It is kinda overgrown but worth the hike.. Just watch out for the landing>.... If you have problems with all the walkers just spray them with your water bottle. That seems to make them move!!!!!
      a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Stuntjumper from LA Harbra Cyclery

      Posted:06/20/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-I had to get out the Thomas Brothers for this one. I do Acacia Park this way. I heard it called Dead Cat Pass from a guy on a Fisher. The neighborhood kids refer to it as that, and have a few other colorful names for many sections. From Melody Lane between Acacia School and St. Juliana's to the trail head near the back NE corner of Acacia School. I follow this single track around some trees and then back up to the grass. At the reflector / white metal road type sign the trail falls to the creek again, it works its way up two seperated table tops about 8 feet high. Now I'm on top of the first cement waterfall, ( remember no touchie) continue upstream and choose any of about four or five paths that get you to the top, loop uphill of the telephone pole near the bridge, then jet down below the palm tree and try to make it back up the hill at the bridge. This is very hard.
      Get on the sidewalk. The trail in about 100 feet is a dead end but fun. In about 100 yards is a street on the left, Sycamore, before the street turn right onto the grassy area, Drop down the cliff or canyon, and hold on going up the otherside, parallel with the sidewalk. Note the trail on your left as it flies pass, it bypasses the canyon. Fly down the hill, fast, fast, fast I make a straight line out of the crooked single track. Then it gets real narrow by the palm trees. With no ground on the right. There is a tight tree, some complicated roots, a small rock bit, then up towards the sidewalk. There are a couple of options that get you back to the creek and then another blitz up to the side walk. There is a fork in the trail, it looks to steep to go up straight so I take the trail to the right and come out on Yorba Linda Blvd. Sometimes I turn around and go down the steep part, Dead Cat Pass, I passed comming up. I continue along the same route I took up,back and turn into the bushes and avoid trying to pedal up that cliff. I continue the same route all the way back to Acacia. Remember no touchie.
      I have seen a few bikes on the trail, and much evidence on maintenance.
      What am I doing I'm going for ride, see ya.

      Ride distance: Elevation change: much
      Singletrack=90% Paved Path=10%
      John a 900 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized

      Posted:06/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat-if what i rode at acacia park ,the little strip of trail in the ditch is dead cat pass, then no youre not ready for deer valley .aliso woods can give you some lessons or the trails in the santa anas or other counties but not that dead cat pass, if there is something "tech" that is there i havent seen it please enlighten me
      bungle a 29 year old Racer

      Posted:06/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-I was doing what the folks have been calling dead cat pass, Right at Yorba linda blvd I encountered a power walker with head phones, I tried to get her attention but ended up scaring the heck out her, the get to the Bat Cave a few 10ths away I come out again right behind her I tried to get her attention again she screemed. I pick up my kids who are playing in the park by now she is up to Acacia School, I tell all the kids to ride in the street to give her much room on the sidewalk. Well my daughter was passing her while we were in the street, again this lady screemed, she scared us, some people you just can't help.

      By the way I have finally done the Acacia park loop AKA Dead Cat Pass finally without touching my feet. It is hard but now I'm ready for Deer Valley.
      Any one interested in a ride this evening? Troy?
      John a Racer riding a specialized

      Posted:06/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateObstacle Loop...-All those fall down drunks would make the loop more challenging, you could practice jumping over them, or treat them like fallen tree logs!
      Booze Jumper

      Posted:06/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateBOOZE HIKERS-That sounds like a great idea. You can throw up, fall down and get covered in dirt without all the trouble and expense of a high-end bike.
      o' bearded one a 42 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized/foes from Lahabra

      Posted:06/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateThe Best Hikers-are the Hash House Harriers, the "drinking club with a running problem" who do periodic runs on the loop. I came across at least 30-40 beer drinking nuts who were curteous and offered us beer.
      I've ran, biked, horsed, and walked the loop many times..it is really an eye-opener when you do the loop on something other than your MTB.

      Posted:06/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateCan't We All Just Get Along?-I think that most trail conflict issues are caused by ignorance. The mountainbiker who skids behind a horse, the dog owner who lets their dog chase you down the trail and then let's him loose again, we've all seen it. I merely would like to try to avoid conflicts. People who don't know what a bell means need to be informed so they realize there is a bike behind them. They don't need to panic, we are in control and we are not going to run them over. The group I encountered tues night was about 30 or 40 people. They literaly shut the trail down. We all have equal rights to the trail but with a little cooperation we can all have equal enjoyment.
      I am a courteous rider but some bikers are not. Just as some hikers don't like bikes. If we try to work it out it's better for everyone.
      Ride distance: Elevation change:
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast from Lahabra

      Posted:06/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Here is one for you.. How about the walker who walks with his/her head looking down and runs into you after you have slowed down to about 3.5 MPH! Some people just do not get it!!!!! Who has the Bear suit????
      riding a Iron Horse from LA

      Posted:06/18/2003

    • Trail UpdateMultiple Use-Unfortunately, the Loop is a true urban, multi-use trail. Sierra folks in general are anti-bike, so it's no surprise about the Loop's hikers not responding to bikes. Every time I ride, I'm prepared to encounter horses (gotta slow way down), hikers (give 'em lots of warning and patience) as well as jackasses on bikes who stop and block the trail, or pass you on single track with no warning, or rudely ride too fast around hikers & horses. For serious mtb'ing, look to Laguna or other places.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Tombiker a Weekend Warrior from Fullerton

      Posted:06/18/2003

    • Trail UpdateRent A Bear Suit-I have never seen a group of power walkers move faster than when confronted with a 6'4" 270lb. Grizzly on a Fisher hardtail at training pace. Once they've seen a bear they usually don't return to the Loop.
      Markus Headlaunch a Die-hard Enthusiast from YL

      Posted:06/18/2003

    • Trail UpdateMore Whining-I will now join the ranks of whiners. Did anyone encounter the sierra singles group? About 50 people with no clue about bikes. I love it when you are ringing your bell right behind them and they ask thier freind "what's that bell?????" They stand on the side of a 12" wide trail and say ok go ahead. The lagers in the back yelled out biker move to the right, half went left, half went right, and then left. I am going to contact the group and either try to convince them to reschedule to wed night, or at least give them a presentation on what to do when bikes come and to be aware. The tues/thurs night ride group and this group are going to have major conflicts.
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast from Lahabra

      Posted:06/18/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Had a chance ot get out of the house and hit the trail tonight and I was suprised to see the trail so smooth... It is like a race track.. Fast and faster.... We are so lucky to have the city maintain this trail.. As you may or may not know it is a trail used by walkers, bikers, and horses. I beleive the city has to keep the trail safe for everyone. So if you do not like it then do not ride it...Keep up the good work and I can't wait to hit it Thursday!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant VT ONE from Chino

      Posted:06/17/2003

    • Trail UpdateSmooth-The trail is so groomed and boring now that at times I couldn't tell if I had drifted onto a golf course. Fortunately, there was no shortage of jackasses tonight, alternately racing each other/passing without warning, then slowing down and getting in our way. Thanks guys!!
      Tombiker a 44 year old

      Posted:06/17/2003

    • Trail UpdateWider-just wait until the diamond lanes go in. tandems only.
      The wood chip pit before the park is where the toll booth is going in.
      grey davis a Weekend Warrior riding a gold plated toilet seat from sacramento

      Posted:06/16/2003

    • Trail UpdateWHAT'S REALLY GOING ON?-SAW DUMB AND DUMBERER THIS SAT .TWO GUYS ON "FREE RIDE" BIKES ALL ARMORED UP BUT WITH NO HELMETS!!!!
      PLEASE PEOPLE USE COMMON SENSE.ALSO IF YOU NOTICE THE TRAILS ARE GETTING GROOMED,THEY'RE SMOOTH AND IN SOM PLACES UP TO 25% WIDER, I THINK IT'S IN ANTICIPATION
      FOR ALL THE NEW TRAFFIC WE WILL BE GETTING FROM ALL THE DEVELOPMENT. RIDE ON AND BE SAFE
      G.W. BUSH a Racer riding a ANY THING THAT WORKS

      Posted:06/16/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop De Loop-First ride on my new sherman 20mm thru fork. very plush, very rigid. Thanks Mike (fullerton bike shop).
      The loop is fast but whats up with the mud pits from sprinkler runnoff. Heads up to backwards riding fools like me.
      o' bearded one a 42 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized/foes from Lahabra

      Posted:06/13/2003

    • Trail UpdateWelcome Wes!!!!-The Loop was in GREAT condition tonight and it was graet to see so many riders out enjoying the Loop tonight.... That included "Wes" (NOT "West") from Florida too. We'll be at the Court House at 8:00am Saturday if anyone would like to join us. We did the Loop in approx. 1hr,20min. from those of you who need to know how fast we'll be going.
      Hope to see all of you out there, And Welcome to Wes!!!

      Roger a 42 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Santa Cruz Blur - XTR/XT from 2Wheeler Dealer from Yorba Linda,CA.

      Posted:06/12/2003

    • Trail UpdateLOOP Freeway-Rode the loop and great to see all the ruts are filled and smooth. The loop is like a freeway. Great job to the people that did all the hard work. You did a great JOB!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a indep.. Fab

      Posted:06/11/2003

    • Trail UpdateJune Gloom-Headed out this cool, overcast morning. No one else on the trail but me and a couple of runners. The trail was moist but not muddy to cut into the trail. It's inevitable, though, that as you roll through some damp spots, you will pick up some sand and dirt in the tires. The resulting mud will be kicked up at you when going through some fast sections (i.e. asphalt).

      It's too bad they filled in the ruts and jumps on the small downhill sections just past the tree roots. And I noticed the steep step on the Nora Kuttner (sp?) downhill was graded too. Maybe within a few months and a couple of good storms, those sections will be as before. Still a great place to catch a quick ride.

      Ride rating: Beginner
      Terraphilia a 28 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT I-drive from Norwalk, CA

      Posted:06/06/2003

    • Trail UpdateNeed Light-Is anybody interested in selling their light. Maybe you want to upgrade.
      John a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized Rock Hopper from Fullerton

      Posted:06/06/2003

    • Trail UpdateBells-bells are good but horseback riders i have talked to say they spook the horses. all horses have different personalities so be careful around them. some walkers are oblivious to anything. i was riding thru laguna lake and came up on a women walking her dog with one of those extension reel leashes. she was on one side of the trail and her dog was on the other. the leash was stretched across the trail. i rang my bell once twice and then progressively faster until i had to stop. as i stopped behind her she jumped and said oh! you scared me. i said thats what the bell was for and she said "i wondered what that bell was".....dooughhhh!
      Birdbrain a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized/foes from Lahabra

      Posted:06/04/2003

    • Trail UpdateFast Times-Hey just a heads up when I'm out going for a fast lap time I all ways give the walkers and hourse back ridders the right a way. Thanks for your thoughts
      guy on a bike a Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:06/03/2003

    • Trail UpdateHelp Needed For A First Timer-Is anyone going out this Saturday morning (June 7) sometime between 8-9am that will be willing to show me the trail? I have all the maps, but after reading all the comments, the maps don't tell the whole story.

      On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being a beginner, I am about a 3. I've done Whiting Ranch before, and some other trails in Mexico.

      Please email me at the address below. Thanks.
      a Cross-Country Rider from Fullerton, CA

      Posted:06/03/2003

    • Trail UpdateGET A BELL!-You dont ned to yell anything.
      Spend 5-10 Bucks and get a bell.
      you'll be amaized how much people will appreciate your bell if you use it at a reasonable distance from them.

      Pat
      BULLIT riding a 5th Elemental Santa Cruz Bullit

      Posted:06/03/2003

    • Trail UpdateHEADS-UP-I have found that a majority of walkers get confused between their right and left so I call out cyclist, (it sounds so much more dignified than biker) then wait for them to do their duck and cover, funky chicken move.
      Ride distance: Elevation change:
      Birdbrain a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized/foes from Lahabra

      Posted:06/03/2003

    • Trail UpdatePersonal Best-While trying to set your personal best speed record, please remember to be courteous to others on the trail. If you want to pass, call out "On your right!" or something, especially on a single track. Sneaking up and squeezing through is rude and dangerous. One of Saturday's racers was doing that. Turning the Loop into a racetrack is going to tick off the hikers and horse people. Don't ruin it for the rest of us.
      Guy on a bike

      Posted:06/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Did a ride Saturday and was excited to see that some of the over grown ares are cleaned up.. Thanks to the person or persons who cleaned them up.. I also rode a the new section were you cross the bridge after the tunnel.. Very cool... I noticed some guys playing in that area with Paint Guns... that is a big NONO! I would also like to know who the fast guys were that passed me.. To guys were on a team and the other guy had a green jersery on.... If you could post your best time I would like to know what it is? I thought I was going fast until you guys passed me. thanks
      a Weekend Warrior riding a GT I Drive Brea

      Posted:06/01/2003

    • Trail UpdateRuts-The city did a nice job at the top of mormon hill, how about the middle section. You have your choice of getting wacked by the bushes or getting sucked into a rut. It would be nice to use the middle of the trail on that section. The waterbar near the top has survived the rains and is working but the ruts down the center section need to be fixed. Don't worry about the overgrowth it won't be here for long.The rest of the trail is FAST!!
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast from Lahabra

      Posted:05/30/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-I noticed the loop is getting very overgrown in some areas???? I rode the new section after the tunnel and went over the new bridge.. Pretty cool but, it is very over grown?
      riding a Giant Boulder from Fullerton

      Posted:05/29/2003

    • Trail UpdateACACIA PARK-THE LITTLE SLICE OF SINGLE TRACK IS REALLY NOT THAT TECH OR LONG. DEER VALLEY IS TECH

      Posted:05/29/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Rode last night and it was HOT! Trail is in good shape and it looks like the city has been out doing more repair.. Great job City of Fullerton!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant NRS

      Posted:05/28/2003

    • Trail UpdateAcacia Park-Acacia Park is located at the corner of St.College and Yorba Linda Blvd. The trail I've ridden on starts near St. College and goes almost all the way through the park. It is beyond very technical.
      Iggy riding a Disney Flick

      Posted:05/23/2003

    • Trail UpdateCliff Is GREAT!!!!-Cliff is great. Please let me tell my story. I had taken the Boy Scouts on the loop and along with our Scout Den I had my, 'just turned five' daughter along for the fun. Well the group got bogged down under Harbor Blvd. My daughter had to stop with each wheel on a whoopdiedoo, she could not touch ground. She fell into a small palm tree. She started to bleed, now at this same time there was other problems in the group that required more attention than one's crying bleeding five year old daughter. By the time I could get back to her she had been given first aid, I could only ask, "who was that honorable man" I heard that his name was Cliff and that he was a regular on the trail. Thanks Cliff, I'll do my best to return the favor on the trail.
      Sincerly Papa y mafia

      Papa riding a shotgun

      Posted:05/22/2003

    • Trail UpdateGROW UP!!!!!!-IF YOU WANT TO KEEP BASHING CLIFF CREATE YOUR OWN WEB PAGE AND LEAVE US ALONE. I AM TIRED OF VIEWING YOUR MORONIC IMMATURE DRIVEL. IF ANYONE KNOWS THIS LOSER POST THEIR NAME AND E-MAIL ADDRESS. YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN RIDE.
      FED-UP WITH JERK a Die-hard Enthusiast from FULLERTON

      Posted:05/22/2003

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-WHERE IS ACACIA PARK? THE WEATHER WILL BE HOT THE JOKE OF THE DAY GUY IS A JOKE

      Posted:05/21/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-It is so overgrown on the Acacia Park Loop that I hit a root, and washed off dirt older than most you youngin'. I think it is important to keep the trail safe, so I hope to make an effort to keep this section clear. Glad to see more people on this section. Remember the loop goes both ways here. And be kind to the people in the park, they hold our future.

      Skoshi riding a wet bike upside down too often

      Posted:05/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Had a buddy take me on the loop today being a newbie first time was a blast! Great combo of some semi-technical spots mixed in with easy to ride plus some climbs and some cruises, careful of the soft sandy spots, gun for the jumps there fun! One piece of advice if you see some pedestrians have some respect and slow down, almost witnessed some guy run over a couple and kicked up rocks & dirt in their faces. NOT COOL! Don't ruin it for the rest of us!! I've said my peace... ride hard - have fun!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change: ?
      Singletrack=90% Paved Path=10%
      a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a TREK Fuel 90 WSD from SBC

      Posted:05/18/2003

    • Trail UpdateNew Entry !-Spotted a new entry to the single track section after the tunnel that goes under bastanchury.Go right after tunnel to main trail which will turn left,ride a short distance to the first pine tree on your left thats where you will enter.It's a little decline to a wooden bridge that crosses the creek.From there you will know the rest of the way.Thanks to whoever built It.
      There has been some weed clearing done to open some of the overgrown trail back there also.The trail at hiltshire park has been disked with very little damage to the trail.The loop through out Is In preety good shape.
      Josh a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a nrs

      Posted:05/18/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Trail rocks! The city did a great job of fixing the run down to Euclid.. No more ruts very fast and smooth. This is why the loop is a great place to ride. THANK YOU to the City of Fullerton and all the GREAT CITY workers!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a NRS Air from Fullerton

      Posted:05/15/2003

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-hey everybody ,hit the trail 5-8-03 the city has done a great job in clearing a lot of the growth and also in smoothing out the ruts down mormon hill.traction is great.ride on!
      bungle a Racer riding a whatever is working at the time

      Posted:05/09/2003

    • Trail UpdateTHE LOOP-Riding the loop is a privilege not a right. We are lucky to have city officials who are receptive to the needs of the mountainbiking community. Please respect other trail users and get involved with saving the trails we have.
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast from Lahabra

      Posted:05/08/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop-Trail was fast and nice tonight... Watch out for the ruts going down towards Eucild!
      Eddie a 31 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT

      Posted:05/05/2003

    • Trail UpdateLOOP-I had a chance to ride the loop today and it was not to bad a few muddy parts but over all a good time. MTB Racer X AKA Slasher a 32 year old riding a Kona from Brea

      Posted:05/04/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop ROCKS!-Hey No bags. Just a good old time on the trail.. Cliff we miss you at work and look forward to your return. We value your leadership and direction. Being a part of your team has made me a better person. I enjoy working with you and I speek for a lot of people. The loop has been in great shape and we need to do our part as city workers to ensure that we maintain the loop so everyone out on the trail can have a good time.....
      God bless you during your recovery!

      I rode before the rain the loop was real fun! I hope the rain does not do to much damage!!!
      Jack Brooks a 36 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Warp DS1 from Fullerton The only city!

      Posted:05/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateGood News (sort Of)-I attended a community meeting tonight, with presentations by Pacific Coast Homes (Chevron's developer dept.) and also Friends of Coyote Hills (www.coyotehills.org). Bad news: 760 more homes planned, causing congestion, more street crossings interrupting our trail, and not a school in sight. I hope none of those 760 families have children. The city representative I spoke with said the city "had no opinion" on the lack of schools, that it was "a school board issue". Nice.
      Good news: Our trail remains intact, albeit with some new views (houses instead of nature), and the plan also includes the addition of 8 miles of new trail to the north.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 19 miles Elevation change:
      Tombiker a 44 year old Weekend Warrior from Fullerton

      Posted:04/22/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop- Jumps-Rode the trail on 4-19-03. Thanks to whoever put in the new jumps along the way. There are a couple small ones on the Mormon downhill and then another alongside the golf course, off to the side. I would like to thank whoever put these jumps in. It gives the option of taking the normal trail or mixing a little fun into your ride. They are off to the side so people can easily avoid them if they need to. Trail is in great shape after the short rain. Part after the Twin Tunnels is overgrown but makes the singletrack way more fun. Thanks again trailworkers!
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: Elevation change: ?
      Singletrack=45% Dirt Road=25% Paved Path=30%
      Lance a 23 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Kona Roast from Fullerton

      Posted:04/21/2003

    • Trail UpdateLoop!-Fullerton Loop! Rode the loop Thursday Night and it seemed to be in great shape. Real fast and smooth. Thanks you mother nature!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant NRS air from Fullerton

      Posted:04/17/2003

    • Trail UpdatePlease show your support for saving West Coyote Hills by attending

      Community Forum
      Tuesday, April 22
      6:30-10:30 p.m.
      Fullerton First Free Evangelical Church
      northwest corner Brea and Bastanchury

      Chevron will present plan for 760 units on West Coyote Hills. Friends of Coyote Hills present plan for a park on all of West Coyote Hills. City of Fullerton and others also make presentations.
      Connie Spenger, Friends of Coyote Hills a Weekend Warrior from Fullerton

      Posted:04/16/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop City Trail Mant..-We should all thank the city of Fullerton for doing such a great job on maintaining the trails. The New section that was added is really great. Cliff who works for the city spends a lot of time making sure it is a good place for all of use to ride. After the storm the section after the golf/tunnel was destroyed. The new section is great! Thanks again Cliff and to the city for keeping the trail in good shape.
      p.s. Cliff thank you for the great deals at the bike shop also!
      Crazy a 36 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant Warp 1 from Fullerton CA

      Posted:04/10/2003

    • Trail UpdateMudslide Gone!-Just would like to start off by thanking the citys maint crew for removing the mud slide at the golf course.It was a little tacky and sticky through that section after all the mud was moved and grading done.It will need just a few more riders on it to get a new line started.Also some weed clearing is being done on the other side of the tunnel.There is some other section on the loop that need attention also.Had a great ride since I had the day off.
      Josh a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant nrs

      Posted:04/08/2003

    • Trail UpdateLandslide-I don't think the golf course appreciated the hole in the fence. As i went down the trail on sat. there were two guys from the golf course on a cart. As i approached the slide they said here comes one of them and started towards the hole. I instead rode through the slide area (it's makeable). Maybe we should fix their fence? DIG ride is scheduled for this sat. the 12th at the courthouse 8:00 be there or be square.
      DIG a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:04/08/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-That is what I have heard called Dead Cat Pass, there are small hills but it is very very technical.
      John riding a bike with one pedal

      Posted:04/03/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-okay so let me get this right.....it starts at the corner of St. College & YL Blvd and goes SW ? The only thing I can think of is that "green-belt" and stream that goes through all the houses just north of Troy High ? Where does this end up ? Are there any hills involved ? Will there be any republican guards along the way to abuse ?
      JC a 30 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:04/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-I have heard the section of greenbelt at the extreme west end of Yorba Linda BLVD called Dead Cat Pass, it goes nearly to the bridge and continues on after the bridge. It starts on YB blvd and goes south west.
      Skoshi riding a a bolt of lightning with a bad crank

      Posted:04/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateLandslide!-The hillside let go in a big way right next to the golf course (sometime between Saturday and Monday). Tuesday night it was impassable, we had to cut through a hole in the fence and ride over the golf course to the tunnel. But not before our hard-charging Steve rode straight into the mudslide (it was night) and almost went over the bars, providing entertainment for all.
      Tombiker a 44 year old riding a two wheeled thing

      Posted:04/02/2003

    • Trail UpdateGo over by the courthouse and follow your noise. There is an odor, an odiferous odor that fills the air like a bloated seal that has been clubbed to death by a fur loving phreak. Find the source, it is THE dead cat. It is in a state of semi mummification and decay, but it marks the way to a long strange trip. Please leave the cat as-is, for there are many who wish to follow the path. May God be with you as you travel the path of the dead cat.
      Ride rating: Expert
      fabulous furry friend riding a magget from 6 feet under

      Posted:04/01/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-I'd like info on this route if anybody could explain it to me. I ride & live right on the loop so I know the area well, but never heard of this. Please hook-a-brother up !
      Thanks
      JC a 30 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:04/01/2003

    • Trail UpdateTrail Work-It seems everyone is asking about trail work. Please send us an e-mail and we will coordinate some work days. I know there are a lot of you that do it on your own but it is a lot easier with a big group.
      Damage Intervention Group (DIG) a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:03/31/2003

    • Trail UpdateNeed A Weed Eater-The rains came, and everything is growing. Lots of tall weeds and wild flowers along the trails. All of the single tracks behind the dam have sections that are getting pretty tight. Tuck in and push through.
      Iguana a Cross-Country Rider riding a Two wheel from Fullerton

      Posted:03/29/2003

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park-Sir, We may have met on the day you were to meet some officials regarding the Craig Park Trail. This is close to my home. I would like to talk to you on the phone regarding volunteering. please Email me with your E address and I will send you my phone number.
      John jwcov@pacbell.net
      John riding a unipinto

      Posted:03/28/2003

    • Trail UpdateCraig Park MTB Trail-This is going to be a reality, but I'm not 100% sure about the timing. It's just a short loop (1/2 mi. or so) but I'm going to include technical features such as roots (small logs), rock garden, stair-steps, log crossing, and so on - it's intended to be a chance to try out new skills in a forgiving environment, instead of going out and thrashing wildlands. I'm also going to talk to the Corps about extending the existing trails to the other side of the dam - that's not likely, but it never hurts to ask.
      DeRanger a 37 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Rocky Mountain Blizzard from OC

      Posted:03/28/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-We did the Dam last night. Is there any plans to repair the trail. Can we go down the creek. Will the city allow us to fix it.
      I had heard that there was a trail developing in Craig Park, any word.
      Also did dead cat pass at Yorba Linda Blvd and St. College. Its almost to technical to do at night, went over the bars a couple days back.

      John riding a gain in Troy's dust

      Posted:03/28/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loops Thanks-I would like to thank the cool dude on the NRS Air tonight who gave me a tube and helped fix my bike when I broke down. His name is Mike and he is the new owner of the Fullerton Bike shop> Thanks Mike for yourt help with out your help I would of had to walk 7 miles. A few other riders rode by and did not offer any help! As we all ride we need to support the other riders who have bike trouble.
      Jay Bearit a 36 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant from Brea

      Posted:03/27/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-As you enter the trail off of Rosecrans, past Sunny Ridge, about 50 or 75 yards,in the sycamore groves, there is a tree fallen across the trail. You can make it if you duck really low. Hopefully, it will be removed very soon.
      Jerry Terrell a 43 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 100 from Fullerton Ca

      Posted:03/25/2003

    • Trail UpdateDead Cat Pass-I know this is the Fullerton Loop page but since Dead Cat Pass is sooo close to the loop and it should be part of it, I offer to take the more experienced riders across it. Meet today at the bridge in Acacia Park at 5:40 PM today.
      Skoshi riding a Bolt of lightning

      Posted:03/21/2003

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-the loop is not that muddy,rode 3-19,a lot of ruts.the main damage is after the tunnels.major erosion,trash and trees all over the trail,at point the trail is gone.i think its time for some clean up and re-building
      g.w.bush

      Posted:03/20/2003

    • Trail UpdateIs It Too Muddy Still?-I was planning on riding the loop tonight, is it just rutted and messy? Or is it really muddy still?
      RDC

      Posted:03/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-I too did the trail last night. When can we fix it. As an alternate I did the Fullerton East Loop, AKA Dead Cat Pass, AKA Acacia Park loop
      pain riding a rat

      Posted:03/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateA Mess-Rode the Loop last night- what a mess!! The rain did some serious damage. Trail is washed out alongside the train tracks, there's a huuuuge rut next to the golf course, and the whole area past the tunnel is jacked up, with fallen trees and such. All along the trail, ruts are deeper/wider and there's fallen trees.
      Tombiker a 44 year old riding a black and green bike

      Posted:03/19/2003

    • Trail UpdateDig-Any newbies who would like a guided tour of the loop
      send us an email. If we get enough response we will schedule a ride. Tell your friends
      dig

      Posted:03/12/2003

    • Trail UpdateAt Last!!!-After I think 7 times of getting lost, getting tired and giving up; I finally made it thru the whole loop! I thank all the friendly people that I encountered along the way. I really enjoyed this trail 'cause it has a lot to offer especially for a novice like me.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Kidlat riding a 2003 Specialized from Fullerton

      Posted:03/11/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop On A Tandem-My wife and I tried the Fullerton Loop on our Burley MB tandem last Saturday. In general, a nice ride, but challenging for a tandem in a few places. We biked most of the route, but had to hike on the "tougher" hills (most of which are manageable with single MB's). We had fun -- very pretty ride, lot's of nice scenery. Just didn't like the many street crossings.
      Ride rating: Novice

      Posted:03/10/2003

    • Trail UpdateDig-Filled some ruts and built a waterbar sat. Trail is in great shape except for some puddles in hiltsher park and some ruts by the golfcourse. If anyone would like to do some trail work send an email and we'll schedule a day. This is the time of year to make changes that will last through the summer.

      Posted:03/03/2003

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-the trail is fast now,even though it's tacky it's not too soft.traction is sweet the big rut down mormon hill is filled in. enjoy
      riding a vrx 300 trusty

      Posted:02/20/2003

    • Trail UpdateAfter Work Quickie-Got on the trail at about 4:40 p.m. after work today,
      was pretty excited to see how this place handled
      the recent rain. To my surprise, it was much more
      dry than I had anticipated. Started behind the
      courthouse, thru Hiltcher Park, only a few puddles
      to negotiate, one pretty long one though, I think
      someone left their hose running and it resulted in
      about a 10 yard puddle. Crossed Euclid, dropped
      in than up the short steep section, excellent
      traction, ruts seemed to have disappeared. Thru
      the neighborhood, rode around a couple mushy
      spots next to the railroad tracks. Up the "long"
      asphalt bridle path, crossed neighborhood street,
      dirt was moist, but held up well, down the quick
      little "downhill" and crossed the next street, small
      "climb" and decided to take the "switch-back" route
      down instead of the "bomber" way...looks like
      some trail matainence had been done, the ruts
      were pretty much gone and the switch-back was
      pretty moist and sticky. Continued up along
      Rosecrans, entered the Eucalyptus Grove, pretty
      much the same as its been, amazingly some soft
      powder spots still remained in there, up thru the
      tight, windy singletrack area, not too much broken
      glass next to the "campfire" pit and the dirt was
      nice and tacky, noticed more trail matainence had
      taken place in there as well. Up the rooted path
      next to the white fence, down the quick downhill,
      not much different, up the next little climb, down
      and crossed the street, looks like someone built
      up the jumps a little bit that parralel the street. Up
      the next climb, dirt was in great shape, very tacky!
      Up to the little plateau area where you have your
      choice of 3 or 4 little drops before you begin your
      descent down Mormon Hill, noticed a few ruts on
      the plateau had been filled in. Down Mormon Hill,
      encountered a chic with her dog, I slowly passed,
      thanked her for holding her unleashed dog and
      continued down the hill, overall, pretty good,
      seems a few of the studder-bumps towards the
      bottom are gone, I wont miss them. Crossed
      Euclid into the Laguna Lake trail, great conditon, a
      couple mushy spots but easily avoidable. Exit the
      lake area, ride along the path, then charge up to
      the singletrack that runs above the path, nice and
      tacky, couple little puddles here and there, nothing
      big though. Dropped down into the next railroad
      track section, more small puddles, up then back
      down along the golf course. I was surprised to see
      how much that area has changed, a new chainlink
      fence has been put up on the right, due to some
      construction I'm assuming (was going too fast to
      really observe what was going on there). The area
      had a few soft spots and looked to be pretty sloppy
      . Now here is the biggest, most noticeable change
      to the Loop. After riding thru the left tunnel of the
      "twin tunnels" I was amazed and astonished to
      see how much earth has been removed/displaced
      by the recent rains. Made a soft left turn and a quick
      right, and negotiated about 20 or so roots and had
      to duck under a pretty large low hanging branch.
      The sediment is VERY soft, although I didnt dab, I
      almost got launched over the bars as I found
      myself a tad too far forward when my front tire
      made contact with a large root. Once you make
      your way thru the roots, the rest of the area is
      simply amazing. It is sooooo lush and green and
      the dirt is incredible!!! This area by far is my favorite
      part of the trail, other than the Eucalyptus Grove
      singletrack. Finished up in there, up the next climb,
      snaked my way down thru the pine tree area and
      back on to Harbor to the courthouse.

      I hadn't rode here in about 3 weeks, and I wasnt
      disappointed. I love the lush, green look the trails
      take on in the winter. This was a great afternoon
      quickie, as I only saw 2 other riders my entire
      ride....
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11.53 miles Elevation change: ?
      bDEE a Weekend Warrior riding a jamisDAKAE from long beach

      Posted:02/18/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Nice Conditions,
      Went out for a Sunday afternoon spinaroo and the loop was good not to much damage from the recent storm. Just a few ruts. No mud if you can belive that. Just watch out for the wash out after the tunnel by the golf area. Have a good ride
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a Kelly from Whittier

      Posted:02/17/2003

    • Trail UpdateKinda' Sticky-Rode late Saturday afternoon. Quite a few had been out before me to blaze a trail around the puddles. The trail is damp and sticky, but not muddy. There were puddles here and there. The approach to the tunnels is a bit messed up with the extra silt that washed down I guess. Overall, the trail is in good shape.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Iguana riding a Rocking Chair from Fullerton

      Posted:02/15/2003

    • Trail UpdateToo Soon To Ride The Fully Loop?-I was planning on a ride tomorrow (Sat.) morning with a newbie friend of mine. I usually ride Chino, but that place takes forever to dry out with all the clay in the soil. Would it be too soon to ride the Loop Sat. morning? I'm not sure how it is right after a storm. TIA.

      KHP a 22 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Homegrown from LA

      Posted:02/14/2003

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-I have not been on the trail for a while but, I drove by some of the area that were impacted by the rain. The down hill near Idaho st looks to be really rutted. The rain will be good for some rides next week.
      Ted a Cross-Country Rider riding a Simo

      Posted:02/14/2003

    • Trail UpdateWork-Some people may complain about filling in the ruts on mormon downhill but it is a lot nicer not having to ride on your sidewall to miss the rut down the middle of the trail. Let's hope the waterbar holds up to the rains. Whoever did the work, if you need help drop us an e-mail next time you plan on doing something. P.S. Biglar no dig intended just trying to make a point.
      DIG from guadalahabra

      Posted:02/11/2003

    • Trail UpdateWatchout-There is alot of broken glass around the "campfire" section of the trail about 1/4 mile before the water tank. Lookout!
      PO

      Posted:02/06/2003

    • Trail UpdateThis Past Saturday....-Hit the trail @ 8 in tha mornin' with RoosterLegz, Mini Me, and Roger. Cranked out one lap, trail was in good condition compared to the last time I rode it (well over a month ago). Some ruts up at the top of Mormon Hill, other than that, everything else seemed to be tha same. The area after the tunnel appears almost 'naked', i dunno what happened to all the foliage, but, it seems alot more 'open' back there.

      We arrived back at the parking lot little bit before 9:30, met up with Lee, Kimberley and some other dude (forgot his name) and set off for another lap...Everything was goin' great until I dropped my chain at the bottom of that short, steep climb after crossing the street after Hiltsher Park. I managed to dislodge my chain, hike-a-biked up the short climb, coasted down the hill thru the neighborhood and noticed some chain skippage as we rode next to the railroad tracks....stopped after the tracks, tried making some small adjustments, I want to thank RoosterLegz and MiniMe for sticking around while I tried to fix my bike. Anyways, I decided I'd head back to the parking lot, being that chain skippage sucks...as I peddled along slowly, I noticed that I had bent a couple links on my chain as a result of yanking it out from when it was stuck. My chain is now fixed and I'm ready to ride again.

      Hope ya guys had a great second lap, the first lap and 1/3 was fun!
      Ride distance: 16 miles Elevation change: ?
      bDEE a Weekend Warrior riding a jamisDAKAR from long beach

      Posted:01/20/2003

    • Trail UpdateNew Friends, Old Ride....-After doing a lap around the Loop this morning I met up with "Dishfan" and Lee and Kimberly at the Loop starting point (Court house parking lot), I had a good time hopefully they did too.
      The Loop in in excellent shape, Plenty of good traction just about everywhere. The weather was also very enjoyable.
      I also wanted to congratulate Kimberly on a job well done today, She really worked hard I bet she'll sleep good tonight. Keep up the hard work it shows!!!
      And I look forward to more rides in the future with you all.
      Roger a 41 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Santa Cruz Blur - XTR/XT from Yorba Linda,CA.

      Posted:01/04/2003

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-hit the trail today,not as muddy as i thought.there are some "wet" places but no mud bogs.traction is sweeeeeeeeeet! rally rally rally! created a new "drop"
      nobody will notice it,if you do find it the drop is a fun one! some good sized ruts down mormon hill watch that front tire!happy new and ride on!!!
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12miles Elevation change: up and down
      bungle a Cross-Country Rider riding a good ol' trusty 300

      Posted:12/29/2002

    • Trail UpdatePerfect Conditions-Rode the loop about 10:00 AM today and the trail looks as good as I've ever seen it. That probably won't be the case after this rain though.

      Posted:12/16/2002

    • Trail UpdateGET OUT HERE AND RIDE!!!-The loop was in EXCELLENT condition today (8:30am)...
      I took acouple of friends with me today (HEY BRAD & BEN), It was Ben's first REAL mtn bike ride (Although the "F" loop isn't really a "Mtn Bike Ride") We'll be taking him on something alittle more serious next time we head out.
      Getting back to the Loop, Everything was in GREAT Condition, I noticed alot of tree branch trimming along the route. We also encountered 4 or 5 horses but as long as we approached with caution everyone got along fine... With is almost always the case.
      I'm still getting the new "Blur" dialed in, With every trip I take, It's as if I LOVE IT MORE than the last time.
      Anyways as I said before, "GET OUT HERE AND RIDE"
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11.4 miles Elevation change: Minimal
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=20% Paved Path=60%
      Roger a 41 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Santa Cruz Blur - XTR/XT from Yorba Linda, CA.

      Posted:12/08/2002

    • Trail UpdateCurrent Conditions-I did a little night ride on Tuesday night...great conditions as you can read below, it's just perfect out there right now. Also in regard to the 2 wheeler dealer in Brea...they are great folks down there. They are my personal sounding board for countless "dumb questions" and they never balk, only offer great professional advice. They are by far my fave LBS. Also I just want to get a new topic out there, to kind of get away from the name calling and harrassment we are seeing.....
      Has anybody utilized the loop extension that goes east from behind the dam ? I live up in Brea, and when I don't have the time to ride the full loop, I've been starting in Craig Regional Park. I go in the main gate, head over to the east side of the park, and up the dam. As you cross the dam from east to west you'll see the "trail" just above and east of the creek. Drop down off the dam using this trail. Keep your speed up, because at the end there is a pretty cool tabletop jump. Now you really have to be on it to make the landing, but if you don't, no biggie, just keep on heading north. Once you hit the road, go left, then as you pass the softball fields, turn left up the cement sidewalk. About 100 yards up you'll see the multi use trail. Take that left and up the hill. This will eventually parallel (sp?) State College Blvd. as you head south, and up the hill. Once you get to the intersection of St. College and Bastanchury, head over to the SW corner where the multi use trail picks up again. From here bend around the Summit house, go through the gate on the left side and continue up the hill. Once at the top you'll see little fences with signs on them describing the panorama. Great views from LA to Irvine here. From here follow the trail as it heads west. This is where it can get fun. You drop down along a new subdivision of swanky homes, as the multi use trail goes right through their front yards. Fun little downhill, not too long. But it gets kinda hairy once you reach the end of that, hang a right and keep following the trail down, it should be gravel now. As you pass the last house on the right side, you can break off to the left, onto a very short but fun little single track. Now you'll be behind the golf course, just follow the multi use trail up and the first stop light you come to, will get you over to the loop, if you hang a left. For me, I keep going straight along Brea Blvd, then go right at Bastanchury and back up to the summit house. All along staying on the multi use trail. From there I drop down the hill back into Craig regional and then home. It's a nice little 8 miles. Hardly anybody on it this time of year. So...have fun, and quit abusing each other out there.
      JC a 30 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:12/05/2002

    • Trail UpdateRode the good ole loop today with Santa Cruz man and Skid.Conditions are awesome.Super tacky and no muddy spots.We only saw two other bikers.Lots of walkers and no horses.Always a great place to take a newby(skid).
      THE PLUG a 39 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant Squishy Squashy from Covina

      Posted:12/04/2002

    • Trail UpdateBlurred Loop Ride-I took my new Santa Cruz "Blur" out to the loop today and It's everything they say AND MORE....
      The loop was in great condition for the test ride, I'm still getting it dialed in (Air pressure/dampening settings and all that stuff).
      So if you're ready for a new "Ride" take a cruise on over to 2Wheeler Dealer in Brea, They'll treat ya like a fellow rider not just a customer.... Now I'm starting to sound like a "Commercial".
      Anyways the loop was in great condition after the light rain last night, SOOOOO GET OUT THERE AND RIDE!!!
      Roger a 41 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Santa Cruz Blur / XTR-XT from Yorba Linda

      Posted:11/29/2002

    • Trail UpdateJason Lighten Up!-Take a deep breath and hold it for 5 seconds.
      You'll feel much better then.
      BULLIT a 42 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Fith Elemental Santa Cruz Bullit from Lakewood URL: The lighten up club

      Posted:11/25/2002

    • Trail UpdateLost Trail-I rode both days this weekend and most of the trail is in pretty good shape after the recent rain. Unfortunately some of the horseback riders and bikers couldn't wait for the trail to dry up and clobbered some sections. The worst is the Lost Trail behind the dam. It also lost some of its appeal with the construction of the sports fields.

      Watch out for low branches on the single tracks behind the dam.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Iguana a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a GF from Fullerton

      Posted:11/17/2002

    • Trail UpdateDecapitation-OK, nobody was actually decapitated on our ride tonight, but it's a catchy headline, ain't it? Loop is sticky like molasses, and still muddy in the shadier areas. Should be perfect by Thursday or so. There's some grading going on alongside first set of railroad tracks...don't know why.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change: some
      Singletrack=25% Dirt Road=50% Paved Path=20% Truck Trail=8%
      Tombiker a 44 year old Weekend Warrior riding a giant from Orange

      Posted:11/12/2002

    • Trail UpdateMudd-went and scoped out the loop and it is way too muddy to ride!the rains have been great thank you GOD!
      now we can ride the santa ana mountains!!!
      ride on
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      bungle a Cross-Country Rider riding a squishy prototype

      Posted:11/10/2002

    • Trail UpdateToo Early To Ride?-I can't wait to get back out on the Loop after the recent rains. Today, the clouds have scattered and things are drying up. Do you all think it's too early (wet) to go out on a Monday morning ride, considering the weather holds up? Hopefully, all the loose stuff has been packed down and firm by tomorrow morning.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11.6 miles Elevation change: dunno
      Terraphilia a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a 2000 GT XCR I-Drive from Norwalk, CA

      Posted:11/10/2002

    • Trail UpdateRut Fix....? COMING RIGHT UP !!!-Oh yes....the beautiful rain is falling all over OC and the loop is soaking it all up !!! Oh I can't wait to ride next week....it's gonna be so sweet. I hope you all get a chane to take advantage...see you at the courthouse !
      JC a 30 year old Racer riding a XR400R from Brea

      Posted:11/08/2002

    • Trail UpdateWelcome Winter-Hey folks....I haven't posted here in a while, but I rode the loop last night (11-5-02) and it's hard to believe that with under an inch of rain in, so far this year, the loop is starting to bounce back. I noticed a couple of the sand pits were gone, and even some "moist" spots here and there. I'm stoked because the forecast is calling for rain this weekend, and I really would love to hit the loop next week and have it nice an firm. Its weird how certain sections of the loop are really chilly at night, like down by the golf course, I swear the temp dropped 10 degrees from the top of the dam to the bottom of the fairway. Anyhow, it's about that time when the loop really starts to firm up, but lets not get too eager, and let the rain water soak up before we go ride. Also glad to see the snobs and anti-loopers have decided to go post somewheres else. See ya at the courthouse...
      JC a 30 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:11/06/2002

    • Trail UpdateA Little Moisture-Hit the trail about 8 AM today and with just a little sprinkle a couple days ago, the trail really started to look a little better.
      SW2 a 33 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized, Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:10/28/2002

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop Is Sticky-I rode the Loop after a great Steeler win and before the WS.
      Go Angles! Trail overall was great! Even Mormon Hill was
      faster today then last week.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      The Bear a 38 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Cannondale M700 from La Habra

      Posted:10/27/2002

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop Is Beat...-I know what ya mean about the powder everywhere. But is does get this way by August every year. The brush gets brown and cut back and the scenery goes away. It really changes from equinox to solstace. This rain and cooler weather should help firm up the ground and in a month or so we may see some green coming back. We should pitch in and help with repair at the bottom of Mormon hill. The dirt could be shoveled off the sidewalk and the studder bumps could be removed without much effort. It is way more enjoyable to ride in the winter and spring but for now there are still some good hills to stay tuned up on. I spend more time in the gym this time of year. On a side note, I crashed hard on the neighborhood street just before Euclid when I began to brake and discovered my front was 75% flat. It was either crash or ride into traffic. Thanks to the guy in the white truck for asking if I was OK, and as for the rest of you boneheads who just raced by, well, thanks for nothing.
      Frank Kip a 47 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant XTC DS2 from Brea

      Posted:10/26/2002

    • Trail UpdateYesterday Evening-Hit tha loop bout' 5 p.m., this thing is gettin' so soft and loose, just about every turn you make, you are in danger of washing out, or plowing some "talcom powder" (dirt). I dont understand the plethora of studder bumps that plague the bottom part of the "mormon downhill"....is it so insanely steep and fast that people cant properley brake with out lockin' em' up? while i'm gripin' bout this downhill part, the upper portion, before hangin' a left at the chain' link fence may be rideable via snowboards now, as well as the 4-6 inches of fresh powder the bottom of the hill has. The area after the tunnel is another rapidly declining area of this loop. Within' the past month or so, it seems as if new "potholes" of powder are appearing every 10 yards or so, there are also some sections of fresh powder that are of concern in that area. The little "drop" after riding through the eucalyptus grove is goin' to sh!t as well....Not to mention the rutted/studdered/powdery drop at the dam...

      I'll quit my wining/cryin'/bitchin'/moanin/ because i know someone is gonna say something along the lines of, "quit riding here....or if you don't like it, stay away....." I know we are in serious need of rain, I just felt the need to gripe cause I have nothing better to do at work right now....Needless to say, I dont think I'll be back to this trail til' we get some rain.

      Have a good day everyone!
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      Barry Dustee riding a snow plow from Hacienda Heights

      Posted:10/18/2002

    • Trail UpdateIt's Cooling Off !!!-Be careful on the switchback downhill after the long blacktop uphill. Very rutted and slippery.
      SW2 a 33 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized, Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:10/16/2002

    • Trail UpdateHelp Save Our Loop!!!!-Help save our loop! - Love riding the loop as much as me? Then please help keep it intact. Chevron is planning on selling the Coyote Hills(The loop travels along many parts of these hills)to major housing developers. The loop as we have known it for many years will be dust! The alternative is to pound letters and e-mails to our Fullerton city council who can alternatively preserve this area as a natural area. Visit www.coyotehills.org and get on their e-mail list. I think a council meeting is coming up very soon and they are looking for lovers of the area to talk for a few minutes on what this area means to them. PLEASE HELP SAVE OUR LOOP! And PASS ON THIS INFO!
      Ride rating: Novice
      a Weekend Warrior riding a Gt -XCR-1500 from Fullerton

      Rick Greer a 47 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT XCR-1500 from La Palma

      Posted:10/10/2002

    • Trail Update"Maintenance" Vs "Vandalism"-The Loop is public property. I'm all for maintenance, but I'm very afraid of people taking it upon themselves to "add technical sections", only because what a bicyclist might find fun, a horse rider might find annoying, and I'd hate to escalate tensions here. Equestrians with money live here, most of us bikers do not, and we'll lose if push comes to shove. If you must go out there and add jumps and stuff, please do it with ALL users in mind.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change:
      Tombiker a 44 year old Weekend Warrior

      Posted:09/27/2002

    • Trail UpdateYeah...-What type of cool technical stuff are you thinking of adding to the loop?
      fellow looper a 16 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a gt tank from Brea

      Posted:09/27/2002

    • Trail UpdateFIXIN-Wow I can't believe the amount of updates that criticize work done to the loop. I have tried unsuccessfully to get people to organize a group to do maintainence on the loop. If you would get involved you would have some input instead of just WHINING! I would also like to add some technical sections to the loop. The fix that was done to the washed out section of the trail looks like the work of the city. This winter when the conditions will permit a little compaction lets fix up the trail, add some cool technical stuff and enjoy ourselves next summer instead of riding in a siltbed for 6 months.
      dig

      Posted:09/27/2002

    • Trail UpdateDecapitation-If that guy who nearly loss his head from the city workers plumb line can read this, I am the guy who was directly behind you. I saw the whole thing. That was complete neglegence on the city workers part. If you would like to take this to the next step, I will back you up 100%. I read this every day. Leave me a message
      SW2 a 33 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized, Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:09/24/2002

    • Trail UpdateStarting To Cool-Hit the trail at about 09:30. Still gnarly dry out there but the air is a little cooler. It's too bad about that downhill double on Mormon hill. Maybe when we start getting a little rain fall sombody ( me ) will reform the launch pad.
      SW2 a 33 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized, Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:09/24/2002

    • Trail UpdateWhat...-Some of those jumps are pretty tough.

      Posted:09/23/2002

    • Trail Update"Improving" The Trails-Just so you do-gooders know, there are actually people out here who don't appreciate your "fixing" the trails...some maintenance is certainly appreciated and necessary, to prevent too much erosion, etc., but when you go build hills, jumps, remove posts put there for a reason, and "fix" things you consider dangerous (too technical for you?)....this isn't always appreciated. Every time I ride Whiting Ranch, I curse the boyscouts who built a wooden bridge over a little gully - they made this technical section too easy.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change: little
      Singletrack=30% Dirt Road=30% Paved Path=6% Truck Trail=30%
      Tombiker a 44 year old Weekend Warrior from Orange

      Posted:09/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateA Post About The Post...-i could be wrong, but i was thinking that big post at
      the bottom of the hill was placed there to prevent
      vehicles from driving up the trail...so, i have a hunch
      that the city might not be to pleased with the removal
      of this post
      woody woodchuck

      Posted:09/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateMuch Thanks-much thanks to whoever fixed the trail erosion i spoke of earlier, i see you also took out the post while you were at it, dont know if i like that though, the adrenaline of screaming by that post was kind of cool, now i have this huge opening to fly through and less thrill.....oh well
      Mike a 26 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant from Brea

      Posted:09/21/2002

    • Trail UpdateSWEET-Yeah, build those kickers up they are sweet

      Posted:09/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateBAD ASS LOOP-the damage has been fixed and the post has been removed.however the first little kicker on mormon hill is f#$ked up.we'll see about re-building it.i wonder if all these little kickers could be left alone?loop is still dusty.oh yeah the loop rules if you dont like please stay away
      ride on
      bungle a 28 year old Downhiller riding a squishy bullit

      Posted:09/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateSprinkler Damage-just wanted to toss out a head ups for the riders to look out for a bit of trail erosion at the bottom of one of the hills...i think its just before you cross euclid heading up to mormon hill...anyways its the downhill that has a friggin wood post in the middle that you gotta look out for, a sprinkler leak recently has carved about a foot deep impression into the trail right between that post and the hill on the left...leaving only about a six inch path to the left to clear the downhill....normally i come barreling down this downhill and launch off the sidewalk but since i hadnt ridden in awhile i was going slower and looking ahead so i was able to manuever....my buddy wasnt so lucky, he pulled a superman over the handlebars when his front tire slid into the gully....poor guy i couldnt stop laughing after i saw that he was ok....look out and for all you trail haters, you either havent ridden it or your jealous
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 Elevation change:
      Mike a 26 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant from Brea

      Posted:09/18/2002

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-JC.. thanks for the words to some downhiller form south county.. What a fool.. The loop is the loop and if you do not like it then do not ride it... Very simple.. The loop is a great trail and offers lots of fun. I have been doing the loop for years and I still see a lot of the same people out on the trail that I saw 5 years ago!!!! So what does that tell you.. People like it.... Keep up the rides...!!!! & hey South OC boy why don't you go ride Talanus or San Juan with Brian Lopes if you are sooooo cool!
      riding a Trek Fuel 100 from Buena Park

      Posted:09/18/2002

    • Trail UpdateRe: Back Country-You are a jackass. Make that a blind jackass. The loop is a trail, it's a bunch of different trails creatively linked together to create a loop, which in effect has become one of the best trails in North County. Everybody who rides it appreciates it for what it is, a nice weekday ride. It's not as technical or tough as most "real trails" but, who cares, it's in our backyard and it's a fun healthy way to spend an hour (or so!!) after work. Please do like the Old Goat says, and stay down south, we've got no room on our loop for snobs like you.
      JC a 30 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:09/16/2002

    • Trail UpdateRiders/Golfers-I usually glance out at the middle of the fairway before the first downhill. If golfers are out there, there's not much chance someone is teeing off. If no one is out there, ride as fast as you can before someone hooks a shot onto the trail. Sometimes I'll yell "howdy" to the golfers as I go by. I used to stop at the hill before tunnels if someone was on the tee, but I don't anymore. I prefer to keep rolling.

      When I'm golfing there, I hold up if I see bikers coming down the trail. Most of them go by without a glance. Not a very sociable bunch, eh? If there are more than one, you can hear them coming, yakking and chains rattling. I don't think most golfers mind.

      Just remember to give horses plenty of room and warning.
      Iguana a multi- year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Gary Fisher from Fullerton

      Posted:09/12/2002

    • Trail UpdateRider/Golf Etiquette-What I usually do when I see golfers is make as much noise as possible, giggle when I'm barreling down the first little downhill, and yell out "HEY, WAKE UP" as I ride by 'em. Did you ever notice how golfers appear to be asleep all the time?
      Ride rating: Novice
      Singletrack=5% Dirt Road=3% Paved Path=5% Truck Trail=5%
      Tombiker a 44 year old

      Posted:09/12/2002

    • Trail UpdateRe: Rider Etiquette-A fellow LTS-1 owner....:)

      As far as the golfers are concerned, I usually ride right by there and not worry about it... Only thing I would be cautious about is one of them hitting a ball way off course that it might hit you in the head... Thats about it... If they b*tch about anything, then they need to go golf somewhere thats not shared w/ hikers, bikers, etc....

      P.S. Big Lar, email me...I got a LTS question for you.
      Brian Froeber a 32 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a GT LTS-1 from Anaheim, CA

      Posted:09/12/2002

    • Trail UpdateRider Etiquette-I rode the Loop for the first time last Sunday and was wondering what the local custom was for riding the path by the golf course while golfers are present. Are riders expected to hold up on the trail until golfers are done teeing off? I don't personally care much for golfers, but I don't want to cause any grief for the local riders.
      Big Lar a 42 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT LTS-1 from Brea

      Posted:09/12/2002

    • Trail UpdateAngel In The Dark-loop was very good last night,a little dusty.the fire made for a beautiful sunset,but what made it great was the angel with the head light.the whole trail was a rush. ride on!!!!!!!!
      bungle a 28 year old Downhiller riding a full squishy hard tail

      Posted:09/10/2002

    • Trail UpdateThis Trail Rocks-This place has it all. Little bit of road, little bit of climbing, little bit of hucking, little bit of great singletrack. As always it's a blast to ride, and right in the middle of town. Trail is "Dusty" and hardpacked.
      Y-NOT

      Posted:09/04/2002

    • Trail UpdateHelp Save Our Loop!-Love riding the loop as much as me? Then please help keep it intact. Chevron is planning on selling the Coyote Hills(The loop travels along many parts of these hills)to major housing developers. The loop as we have known it for many years will be dust! The alternative is to pound letters and e-mails to our Fullerton city council who can alternatively preserve this area as a natural area. Visit www.coyotehills.org and get on their e-mail list. I think a council meeting is coming up very soon and they are looking for lovers of the area to talk for a few minutes on what this area means to them. PLEASE HELP SAVE OUR LOOP! And PASS ON THIS INFO!
      Ride rating: Novice
      a Weekend Warrior riding a Gt -XCR-1500 from Fullerton

      Posted:09/02/2002

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Hey thanks to the Red Bull people last night for the free Red Bull. A small group of use ran into a few people who work of Red Bull and they were having an Outlaw race (KILLER) and offered us some cold ones... Thanks again and I will make sure to help promote your product.. I hope to see you on the trails again!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel from Fullerton

      Posted:08/30/2002

    • Trail UpdateLoose As A Goose-hit fullerton today after work. i know we havent had
      any rain in a million years, but this place had lots
      and lots of loose sandy areas. i almost went down while
      riding through hiltcher park, that "sweeping left" turn
      is very soft and loose, same with like 5 or 6 other
      areas of this trail, the top of mormon hill, the bottom
      of mormon hill just to name a couple.

      same o' loop, got a good work out, just wanted to share
      my experience with
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change: i dunno
      tugBOAT a Weekend Warrior

      Posted:08/29/2002

    • Trail UpdateIt Is Called A Cyclocross....-Cyclocross bike. Race series that includes dirt riding and running.

      Posted:08/28/2002

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Rode the loop last night and sorry to see the daylight savings is coming to an end.. 7 30 and it is dark. I was on the loop and noticed a team of riders out riding pretty fast. They (4 riders)all had red white blue and gold clothing on.. One guy was on some type of a road bike with green tires? What kind of bike is that? How is it on the down hills?. I would like to know more about it?
      a 45 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT

      Posted:08/28/2002

    • Trail UpdateThanks To Barry-I met one of the Good Guys on the trail Tuesday afternoon who loaned me a spare tube and his pump for a pinch flat I had. As for a trail report: the four miles that I completed were the same old fun Loop. There was a "pack" of new riders including a gal with a nice set of Hutchinson Gold semi-slicks like I use. She said it was her second time so I hope it was a Great Ride as this is the trail I learned on too.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 4 miles Elevation change: 24.5 feet
      Singletrack=0.1% Dirt Road=99% Paved Path=.9%
      Jim a 48 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized FSR Enduro (with fenders!) from Huntington Beach

      Posted:08/08/2002

    • Trail UpdateA Little Cooler-Rode the loop about 11:00 AM today. A little cooler today than some of the previous days. Trail looks decent right now. I think I'll ride it tomorrow. Be careful of running over snakes. They look just like tree roots. They sun themselves in the middle of the trail and sleep. Please don't run them over. Instead, grab a stick and "shoo" them off of the trail. Thanks
      SW2 a 32 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized, Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:07/30/2002

    • Trail UpdateDiverDave714-Dave, I know this is the place to post this, but if you would like to ride the loop, email me, im still a "beginner" and love the loop and am looking for others to ride it with...

      Brian
      Brian a 31 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a GT LTS-1 from Anaheim, CA

      Posted:07/26/2002

    • Trail UpdateWow, this where I hang my head and say it sucks to be new to a sport.... Three of my friends and I went for a ride and didn't complete the loop (due to having to get to work). This is my first trek, but I'll be back and I am determined to tackle and complete the loop. Nice changes of scenery and some very easy parts, but since my family consists of little girls (one with training wheels still) I can't rate this as a "Family" trail. Several of the climbs were too difficult to navigate up, especially with how long its been since rain has touched it. The downhills were very fun, but beware the quicksand at the bottom. Great ride, I'll be back.
      P.S. I rate this ride "Novice" since I am a beginner and was stumped on several of the uphills.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 7 miles Elevation change: doubt it
      DiverDave714 a 32 year old Weekend Warrior from La Mirada

      Posted:07/26/2002

    • Trail UpdateOvercast Is Good-Did two laps yesterday ( Sunday ). Nice and cool. Trail looks good considering the traffic it gets and no rain in such a long time.
      SW2 a 32 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized, Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:07/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateFAMILY TRAILS-Rode over to Fullerton Loop this morning after not being there for over a year. Now we have closed trails, widened trails, and warning signs. You can still get a good workout if you do 2 or more loops. Still a good time. Great family trail! Lucky to have it so close to home.
      Remember, go fast uphill.
      Cheers
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 12miles Elevation change: barely
      a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a TREK from OUT OF NOWHERE

      Posted:07/14/2002

    • Trail UpdateThank You July 1st-I would like to give a big THANK YOU to all the people that stopped and offered there help yesterday “July 1st”. My daughter’s boyfriend and I were riding the downhill just before Euclid when he fell. Nothing major but still had to use my first-aid kit for his elbow. During to time I was patching him up, many riders stopped and asked if he was OK and if we needed any help or assistances. He’s OK and thank you again.
      Rickster a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT i-Drive 4.0 from Diamond Bar

      Posted:07/02/2002

    • Trail UpdateFreeway-
      Rode the loop for the first time in three weeks, what happened to the first trail as you exit the tunnels? looks like somebody went thru there with a riding lawnmower. What used to be a nice section of singletrack is now a four laner. Who did this? I have noticed limbs cut and obstacles removed little by little but now this section is ruined. When we tried to get a group together for trail maint. on the loop we got nothing but abuse from people saying we were going to ruin the trail and make it a joke. The response was horrible, we wanted an organized group of mbikers but instead got penpals. now somebody has done this. If anyone would like to help restore this trail send us an email. Put in some time to IMPROVE THE LOOP not destroy it.
      dig

      Posted:06/30/2002

    • Trail UpdateA Good Day-Hit the loop about 11:00 A.M. today and all went well except for a flat that was easily remedied. No dogs, booby traps, or negativity in any way. Ride and enjoy!
      SW2 a 32 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized, Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:06/27/2002

    • Trail UpdateTHIS BITES!-Last night a rider was bitten in the thigh by a doberman owned by a blond woman. the dog lunged at the rider while he was going down mormon hill and did not realise how serious the dog had bitten him (he was bleeding) until he reached the bottom of the hill. be aware of this dog and owner. unfortunately we don't have a better description.
      dig

      Posted:06/27/2002

    • Trail UpdateBad Rap-You're right it's not the baddest, steepest, gnarliest
      anything, it's just a fun place to ride. it does'nt compare to srt, truck trail, aliso or anything else so don't. it's just a good time in the middle of suburbia.
      I can come home from work jump on my bike and ride. not a bad backyard if you ask me.
      dig

      Posted:06/26/2002

    • Trail UpdateDon't Understand....-I'm not a regular at this site or ever add to discussions but I've noticed the "Loop" draws so much attention, alot of it negitive and can't understand why.
      Yeah so it's not a difficult place to ride nor should it really be classified as a MTB trail but it's undoubtly a fun place to ride and great place for the beginner just starting out or the experienced rider to bring friends just starting out in the sport.

      I personally use it as a place to get a light/easy ride in when I don't want to brave the heavy traffic on a weekday after work and also a place to try out new setting on my DH rig (shock settings, shock oil, brake pads, etc...) before I head out to a race.

      So why all the frowns???
      Keep the peace and see ya on the trails.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 10 miles Elevation change: Very little
      DHPhun a 27 year old Downhiller

      Posted:06/26/2002

    • Trail UpdateOvercast And Good-The clouds made it a little more comfortable out on the trail today (Thursday). Overall, the trail looked pretty good. I did not see any boobytraps of any kind. Ride and enjoy!
      SW2 a 32 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized, Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:06/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateUnexpected Fence-Yeah, I just about faceplanted that fence myself. I'm sure that fence will end up being in a horizontal attitude acting as traction for our knobbies to climb.
      SW2 a 32 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized, Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:06/18/2002

    • Trail UpdateBad Elks....bad, Bad Elks!-We were out on the Loop filming "Crusty Demons of Dirt 12" on some of the massive dropoffs...but seriously, folks. First, the drop into National Sports Bar was fenced off (a while ago) and now the Elks Lodge has fenced off any thoughts you might have of exiting your ride in their parking lot and driveway. Major bummer, as two of us plowed into the fence that blocks the hidden driveway exit. No reason for the fencing, other than keeping mtn bikers from terrorizing Elks. Grrr!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change: Little
      Singletrack=4% Dirt Road=5% Paved Path=5%
      Tombiker a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant something or other from Orange

      Posted:06/18/2002

    • Trail UpdateSW2-Bought my first full suspension bike last week and I patrolled the loop three times. Well, 2.5 times (I had mechanicals and had to radio in for an evac.) The sector after the tunnels has been groomed by the city workers so it's pretty smooth running through there. Over all, the trail looks good. Green lights across the board.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      a 30 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized Enduro from Fullerton

      Posted:06/17/2002

    • Trail UpdateLoop Enforcer-Maybe it would be easier to ride without the combat boots and full body armor, (the kevlar type). Thanks for doing some trail maint. on the downhill. Next time you should build some little jumps. I love the adrenaline rush I get when I launch off those and catch massive inches of air.
      huffy owners group of tarzana a Racer riding a huffy of course from tarzana

      Posted:06/17/2002

    • Trail UpdateEpic Loop Ride!!!-Rode the Loop on Sunday, and despite the fact that there hasn't been rain in months the surface was nice and tacky. Had to rest a number of times during the ride, cuz MAN this place'll take it outta you. Also had to walk several sections because of the extreme technical factor. This is one demanding ride!!! Only downside is that the masturbating vandals are ruining the Loop. Saw a guy with his pants around his ankles pulling branches across the trail and digging pit traps on the downhill alongside the Mormon church. WTF!!!! Doesn't this guy know his time would be better spent building wee little jumps along the railroad tracks? And can't he keep his hands off himself? I saw that there was no hope for him, however, so I stopped and bashed his skull in with my Topeak mini and rolled him into one of his pit traps and filled it in. Problem solved! Then there's the damn horseback riders. Taught them a lesson today when I chucked a handful of M-80s into the rodeo ring by Laguna Lake, sending a group of palaminos into bucking fits and dumping their riders into the copious piles of horse shee-yot on the ground. Take that you trail-mangling equestrian bastards!!!!

      P.S. The downhill to the former National Sports Bar is still closed. Be advised.
      Ride rating: Expert
      Ride distance: Huge Elevation change: Bajillions of feet
      Singletrack=800% Dirt Road=300% Paved Path=50% Truck Trail=200%
      Loop Enforcer a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Huffy from Fullerton, MTB capital of the world

      Posted:06/17/2002

    • Trail UpdateJuanita Cook Trail Aka Tha Loop-I've held my tongue for a few years re: the postings on the Loop. I love the loop when I have little time or after work, but don't tell me the surface is tacky again. Or the vandals are plotting to exteminate us by setting traps. Yes I've knocked my melon on low hanging trees and wasn't happy about it. Ride the loop whatever direction you want(Ask ODB about that), but ring the bell or yell at blind turns. PS The loop was design as a horse trail, don't give horse riders a hard time. Don't build dumb ass jumps in straight sections. By the way, the loop is not a 10 on technical or grunt factor. It is fun but don't try to make it epic, unless you do 5 laps.
      Just venting. No harm, No foul.
      Opus Kat a 37 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Specialized FSR XC from Placentia

      Posted:06/16/2002

    • Trail UpdateBrakes-skidding tires cause washboard trails and trail damage.
      pick the smooth spots to apply even braking then let it rip thru the rough sections. suspension and steering is much more effective when the wheels are turning. finese and speed will get you thru a lot of sections you think are unrideable. when you ride in muddy conditions you learn real quick how to modulate your brakes,... or you crash alot. we don't get a lot of mud so it's hard to practice. by the end of summer we will be riding in a big sandbox if everyone skids thru all the corners.
      dig

      Posted:06/12/2002

    • Trail UpdateBack To The Trail....-I rode the loop Sunday starting from the Fullerton College drop in, up around the tracks, down the golf course section , through the tunnel.. The section in the valley there has a great single track that I went back and forth 3 times through before heading up the Damn hill (no pun intended).. Now- there is the normal way down (South), and there is that super steep slide down to the Damn base (which I attempted for fun, but ended up sliding to a fishtail stop 1/4 the way down) How do you navigate this kind of hill? with the rear tire locked up I was still very rapidly accelerating .. I think if I hadn't bailed, I would be a skeleton at the bottom for the paintballers to practice on.. Any way I worked back down to the same drop in point and then turned west and did the entire loop (sans the Golf course).. Top of the world felt damn good, coyote hill (elev change 360 to 533 on the map is still my nemisis) but always worth the effort for the downhill on the other side and the jump halfway down is cool.. just watch the quick sand near the end right? I always stop at Laguna lake for a breather.. I know the loop is about 12 miles but I did 18 miles Sunday, and the climbs I'm tackling better each time i ride are a real confidence boost. around mile 15 I was feelin like I could just keep on riding.. Kick ass ride, I'm hooked. Oh yeah, I didn't wipe out this time ... PS. (slow WAY down before the tunnel entrances.. sometimes there will be a horse and rider in there, which if startled in that confined space, could be very dangerous for the rider..)

      Ride distance: 18.5 miles Elevation change: all of them
      LoopRecruit /Grade=Seargeant a 34 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Pacific Ambush from Garden Grove

      Posted:06/12/2002

    • Trail UpdateOur Trail-WE need to take ownership of our trails. the walkers, riders, equestrians, bird watchers etc. etc. must act as a society to remove people who are unable or unwilling to conduct themselves according to the rules of society. a lack of respect for all others does not merit "understanding" or "tolerance".
      dig

      Posted:06/11/2002

    • Trail UpdateWhat's Your Idea Then-Read between the lines...I would not touch any of these guys with a 10 foot pole, but I might whack one of them with it (figure of speech). However, if these guys were caught in the act and had their butts kicked, they may not want to come back. Sorry if that seem too violent to you, it seems reasonable to me. I have zero tolorance for these kinds of acts especially in open areas where people are walking their dogs, taking hikes, riding bikes, horses or worse where kids may come to play and ride bikes. Just the thought of that gets me fired up. And that gives way to other questions like is it safe to ride here at night? Should women ride alone even during the day? An analogy to a gang fight is pretty far off base. If the police would help that would be great but first a witness needs to make a report then they'll need to wait around to catch them. I haven't seen any serious pro-active responses from those concerned posted here. A report from a witness would be a good start. What would your signs say anyway?
      Frank Kip a Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant from Brea

      Posted:06/11/2002

    • Trail UpdateTo Add To The Insult...-I thought I was going to keep this to myself but since we are on the topic of unsual sights on the Loop. A few months ago, I saw two men in their 40's, heavyset, just finsihing up their "romp" right at the base of the dam.
      Talk about a disturbing sight! I climbed the hill in record time and tried to pretend I didn't see them. Unfortunately that sight is forever embedded into my mind.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 9 miles Elevation change:

      Posted:06/09/2002

    • Trail UpdatePerverts Are Unsafe-I ride this trail a couple time a week and once in awhile my son comes with me. Has anyone reported this guy to the authorities? This is probably not a one time exibition and if a number of reports with identifiers like a tattoo are documented a pattern my develop and he will get caught (well I guess he was caught) I mean apprehended or arrested, you know, taken into custody by the proper authorties. If allowed to run free no telling what crime he may commit on a secluded part of our trail some quiet evening. If I run into this guy I'll probably find a 10' pole and club the crap out of him then call a dog catcher. I'm not going to let this kind of stuff go on in my town.
      Frank Kip a 47 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Giant XTC DS2 from Brea

      Posted:06/03/2002

    • Trail UpdateSexual Assault Con't-Saw this guy that same night, that was the most disgusting thing that I have ever seen, and believe me, I've seen some knarly things on the internet. Now I have this horrible picture imbedded in my brain, I don't know if I can ever ride that area again. To add to the identity, there was a tatoo of the name "Lenny" on his right arm. Good luck out there guys and keep the rubber side down.
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a Dean from DB

      Posted:05/31/2002

    • Trail UpdateToolbox Found-Wednesday evening I picked up a toolbox left at the parking lot. Please call 714-533-9569 to identify it.
      Loop Rider a Cross-Country Rider from Anaheim

      Posted:05/30/2002

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Sexual Asult,
      Today myself and my good ridding buddy ran into a man who was pulling his CHAIN ( Not Bicycle) butt naked under the tunnel on the single track next to the water after the golf coarse. What the heck is this all about? This is a family trail that is used by hikers, MT. bike riders, Horse back ridders and walkers. Not to mention many youg children. I have reported this to the Fullerton police department. The guy was in is early 30's dark hair about 5'10" 185lbs. Please keep your eye out for this sick man. What the heck is this guy thinking? And he did not even stop when we rode up to him. Wow what a suprise we got!!!!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a 9.9 trek from Fullerton

      Posted:05/30/2002

    • Trail UpdateSprinkler Heads-markus we are working with the citys permission on all our projects. there is a difference between technical trail features and dangerous situations. we are all for adding technical sections to the trail in appropriate areas but metal pipes sticking staight up out of the ground are not good. a serious injury could lead to trail closure. we appreciate your concern for the loop and hope you could contribute your time or ideas for future projects.
      dig a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:05/21/2002

    • Trail UpdateAwesome Ride-I love this trail! I'm new to the sport of mountian biking and I have to say that this trail is addictive. This trail has a little bit of everything and I had a blast, even on those tortures up hills (I need some conditioning). I plan to come back again and again. I especially want to say thanks to the riders that showed me the way and the two guys that gave me advice on how to negotiate the downhill section near the dam, I was shakin' in the saddle, but I made it. Anybody out there who knows the area and does not mind showing me some more of this place, let's hook up.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Mike D a 33 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Raliegh M30 from Riverside

      Posted:05/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateRe:dignews Trail Stuff-Before taking a sawsall to city/private property (i.e. the sprinkler system) I would make sure that you have the proper permission to do so. I'm all for trail maintenance/repair and I know the sprinkler pipes may be a bit dangerous, but I am also against any kind of negative response from the city regarding MTBers taking it upon themselves to make unwarranted changes.

      I haven't heard of any impalings in the past, and I hope there aren't any in the future. Maybe a little more skill in the singletracks would solve the problem. There is a nice, wide, somewhat smooth fireroad just below the top-of-the-world singletrack that works just fine for beginners/intermediate level riders that is totally free of them pesky sprinklerheads.


      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Markus Headlaunch a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Fisher Hardtail from Orange County

      Posted:05/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateA Few Fallen Branches-This saturday a couple buds of mine and myself hit the trail about 8:30 a.m...the early morning mist was welcomed by all, the trail was in pretty good shape, however towards the end of Hiltsher Park two fellow mtb'ers were removing a large fallen tree branch that had fallen across the trail, I couldnt figure out how such a large branch had fallen or broke. Later on in our ride, right before the "twin tunnels", there was another fallen tree branch...it was easy to maneuver around and it wasnt as large as the branch that had fallen/broke in Hiltscher Park. Over all it was a great ride and the weather couldn't have been much better. We saw the group of volunteers who were cleaning the Laguna Lake area and thanked them for their work on the trail. They even raked out the area up above the "flats" of the lake, making it nice and clean for us. I want to thank Rick for contacting me and meeting up with me to ride this loop, and no longer am I "lost on the fullerton loop."

      Posted:05/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateLaguna Lake Cleanup-saturday employees of the raytheon company where out cleaning up the grounds around laguna lake. our hats off to raytheon and all the employees who volunteered
      their saturday to improve the loop.
      dignews

      Posted:05/19/2002

    • Trail UpdateDignews-there has been some discussion on the remains of the sprinkler system by top of the world. there are some pipes that stick straight up out of the ground. on saturday a girl fell and was almost impaled by one of these pipes. we would like to remove the vertical pipes only which may require some additional shoreing in some spots. if anyone has a cordless cut off saw or sawsall or would simply like to help please give us an e-mail. we got a little moisture on saturday night which helped pack it down but the trail is getting loose in some spots. some rain might fall monday so keep your fingers crossed.
      dignews a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:05/19/2002

    • Trail UpdateMap For Lost-There's a map on the City of Fullerton website at http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/comm_serv/parks/mapsmall.html.
      It gets a little tricky at times with the street crossings, but you can mix up your ride with shortcuts and side excursions.

      Be courteous to the equestrians. They built the trail system.
      Iguana a Cross-Country Rider riding a Gary Fisher

      Posted:05/15/2002

    • Trail UpdateDear Lost....-I haven't been able to find a decent map of the Loop off or online.

      Here are some online atleast, it's not very clear with street names, but maybe you can use these in conjunction with the Thomas Guide Mapbook to get a better sense of direction...

      http://www.socalmtb.com/trails/maps/fullert1.htm

      http://www.socamtbr.com/trails/fullerton/fullerton_loop_map_2.JPG

      See if any local bike shop has a map. Better yet, see if they have local group ride and ride it with the gang first.

      Here is Central OC group:

      http://www.radless.com/

      Posted:05/15/2002

    • Trail UpdateLost On The Fullerton Loop-Well, yesterday 3 friends of mine and myself set out to ride this loop. None of us had rode here before, and the only information I had was based off of what others have posted on this site and some other so. cal mtb sites. We started out behind the courthouse and headed west (i think. we went to the right) on the trail. Please forgive me, I dont know the names of the many streets we crossed but I know we went astray when we ended up on Imperial Hwy. We actually stopped at the lake, but for some reason, we didnt think to ride along side of it and we continued straight...(yes, we missed that sharp left turn that we probably shoulda went down, i did see it, but my friend thought we should continute straight)which brought us to Imperial. We made a left and proceded to Euclid, where we made another left and climbed that hill. We went down the hill and caught up with the trail entrance right next to the church...two guys in our group stopped about 1/3 of the way up the hill. Myself and my friend continued up the hill, then down the hill (not very technical, but there were some small rocks and railroad ties to handle) to cross another street (i dont know the name) and up another hill..we turned around probably 1/2 way through that hill, only because we were running low on time, and had NO idea where we were. So, we continued back down, crossed the roads and got back on the trail across Euclid I believe and ended up going the way we were suppose to (around the lake) and then rode that single track up above the flats on the way back.

      I am pretty new to mtbiking, (i used to race bmx) and have only ridden whiting ranch, aliso woods, and most recently "part" of the fullerton loop. I am planning on meeting up on thursday to ride with the group so I can have a better understanding of this loop. If there is anyone out there who can give me any info about this ride or this loop, please drop me an email and dont be too harsh...thanks...
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: not sure.. Elevation change:
      bretDEE a 27 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a haro v2 from long beach

      Posted:05/14/2002

    • Trail UpdateCoyote Hills-coyote hills belongs to chevron. trying to get the land set aside for open space instead of development is no infringment on personal property rights. there is quite a bit of land for habitat, bikes, horses, walkers and nature lovers. the trick is to give chevron and the city council alternatives to development. remember the chevron commercials stating "who cares,... people do"!!!
      birdbrain

      Posted:05/10/2002

    • Trail UpdateCoyote Hills ...more-Last Saturday they dedicated a small piece of Coyote Hills as a park. The rest is slated for development. Take a look at what is left for open space in North Orange County. There isn't much. We may or may not gain trails from preserving this area, but it will be a prettier ride if it is preserved. The out of town developers don't give much thought to quality of life issues.
      Iguana a Cross-Country Rider from Fullerton

      Posted:05/09/2002

    • Trail UpdateCoyote Hills-Why is it our problem then? No trails will be taken away.Back to my original point lets not infringe on private property owners rights.
      EX racer from Brea a 34 year old

      Posted:05/09/2002

    • Trail UpdateRebuttal-Last time I checked, the land we ride on is NOT privately owned. The private stuff has a fence around it. Also, since EX Racer is sympathetic to the building developers, perhaps they can fund a spell-checker for him.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Tombiker a 43 year old

      Posted:05/09/2002

    • Trail UpdateSave Coyote Hills-Make sure you let the city know your oppinion on what some one should do on there property. Dont give any consideration to someone elses rights only that we need a place to ride that is convenient for us. Dont let the Private Property owners rights cloud your thinking.Just remember we need a place to Ride even if the land is privately owned.
      EX Racer from Brea a 34 year old Racer riding a Trek 8500 from Brea Ca

      Posted:05/08/2002

    • Trail UpdateSave Coyote Hills-

      Check out the website --http://www.coyotehills.org-- to get info on how to get involved in preventing the destruction of Coyote Hills by developers. It's not too late to stop 'em. The City will need to listen up if there is enough noise. They are blinded by the promise of short-term revenues gained by building out every square inch of open space.

      Get involved. That beautiful open space you are riding through is at the verge of being filled in with cement.


      old goat, a too-many year old Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:05/05/2002

    • Trail UpdateFirm-rode last night and had a blast. dirt was totally awesome. light rain left trail firm and fast and no zombie walkers to deal with. hope it stays firm after tonights group carnage
      birdbrain

      Posted:04/25/2002

    • Trail UpdateDig-I had a posting last month but those postings are now gone. I am trying to get a group together to do trail work and make improvements to the loop. I am also concerned with the impending development of the coyote hills. There are two groups fighting over the hills, developers and the enviros. I have attended meetings of the save coyote hills group which includes some equestrians and at least one mbiker but we need to organize as bikers to take care of our beloved loop.please get involved. Damage Intervention Group
      dignews

      Posted:04/23/2002

    • Trail UpdateLoop Destruction-I don't know the extent of what's planned, but developers are moving in to the Coyote Hills- perhaps you've seen some of the signs. For more info, check out www.coyotehills.org

      I'd like to see more trails, not less...I don't wanna have to get a (yuck) road bike!
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: Diminishing Elevation change:
      Tombiker a 43 year old Weekend Warrior

      Posted:04/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateLoop Sabotage?-We decided to go out this morning to ride the Fully Loop. The beginning of the ride was good until we got to Hilscher Park. We of course always ride the singletrack because it is one of the best parts of the ride. Today there was a group of 6 people with their dogs standing at the beginning of the singletrack. This was no big deal but it's the fact that they were standing right in the middle of the trail is what makes it frustrating. Why can't they stand on the bigger dirt road? Oh well. We passed them and cut over onto the singletrack which is pretty fun. Watch out at the end because right before you head up to cross Euclid there is a big huge sand trap. The sand made me swerve around. We crossed Euclid and came up to the steep hill and saw that someone filled the rut that runs down the middle of the hill with little pieces of concrete. We continued riding. When we came up to the Eucalyptus Grove we saw a lot of glass all over the trail. As I came down Mormon Hill, there is that steep dirt hill by the entrance to cul-de-sac, I'll usually huck off that and fly through the air(if there is nobody around that is). I was about to go for it when I saw 5 broken sandbags right about where I would land. I said to myself " If I go for it I would end up hitting one and fly over my handlebars". I slowed it up and decide to go for cement drop by the church instead. I came down with some speed. Right before that is a lot of sand also and that slowed me down. I still had enough speed and hit it. Luckily there was no one in sight so I coatsed all the way down Mormon hill. Continued on to the courthouse. Overall it was an okay ride there is a lot of crap on the trail, some of which makes it difficult to ride. My favorite part is the series of jumps before you go down into tree park. They getting worn down from people rolling over them. Maybe I'll go fix them.
      FreerideFury a Racer riding a GT Avalanche 1.0

      Posted:04/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateIMPALEMENT THREAT-SINGLE TRACK ABOVE WATER TANK IS ALWAYS FUN, HOWEVER THERE ARE A FEW GALVANIZED STEEL RODS (THAT LOOK LIKE SPRINKLER RISERS) TO WATCH OUT FOR. IF YOU FALL AND GET IMPALED DON'T COUNT ON USING YOUR CELL, THERE'S NO SERVICE. JUST MAKE LIKE A VAMPIRE AND CHECK OUT.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 12.5 Elevation change:
      MV a 34 year old Weekend Warrior riding a SUGAR from FULLERTON

      Posted:04/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateRe: Damn I'm Lost-

      Try this map: ====> http://www.ci.fullerton.ca.us/comm_serv/parks/maplarge.html

      Hiltscher Park Trail branches off the Juanita Cooke Trail (the one that starts behind the courthouse) and crosses Euclid, runs down and up an embankment, then down a residential street. The trail then crosses Bastanchury, runs along the tracks to Parks Road Trail, and up to Rosecrans where you bump into the parking lot at which you started.

      old goat, a too-many- year old Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:04/19/2002

    • Trail UpdateDamn, I'm Lost...-I'm new to the area and went for a ride a week ago. I started at the small parking lot just west of Euclid on Rosecrans. I waited for another biker to rire along, but after 10mins. I was riding. I road up Coyote Hills then across Euclid to Laguna Lake, then down along the RR tracks by the Golf Course, then behind St. Jude and by the Brea Dam(following directions pointed out my the topo map given by the website). Man, I got really lost. I ended up coming to a trail by behind the courthouse and followed it up to the Laguna Lake again!!! Can someone tell me what the recommended route is from behind St. Jude to the rest of the loop thru Hiltscher Park? I've found another map, and that has a bit of a different route that the topo map. Otherwise, I guess I can go for a group ride from a local bike shop(I'll just have to call around).
      Thanks for any help!!! All in all, I had a blast, this is a great rail considering it's the middle of metropolitan O.C.
      JT a 20 year old Weekend Warrior riding a TREK 6500 from Pheonix, AZ

      Posted:04/19/2002

    • Trail UpdateRocky Road-thanks to whoever removed the debri from the top of the hill just past the park after you cross euclid. I stopped to remove some but it was a big job so I planned to return on sat but it was already done. Be on the lookout for some nasty thorns I double flatted
      going past the golf course on sunday. Thanks to the big group of riders who instead of responding to my question do you have a spare tube said "hi" and kept riding. I always stop to help others and just assumed that was the norm. after a three mile walk I decided to ride on the flat front for the remaining two miles to my home and discovered it's a great training technique for balance and anal retention. I will be purchasing an old ten speed wheel for the front for my future training sessions.
      birdbrain riding a three legged dog from lahabra

      Posted:04/17/2002

    • Trail UpdateActual Update-No whining or bitching here, just some real Fullerton Loop info...ready?
      OK, it's basically the same, fun loop you all know and love. BUT, there seems to be some grading going on up top the last hill by the old National Sports Bar, which is still fenced off. The trail is missing, but you can still get down to the church through the soft stuff.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change: none
      Singletrack=4% Dirt Road=5% Paved Path=6% Truck Trail=7%
      Tom a 43 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Jolly Green Giant

      Posted:04/15/2002

    • Trail UpdateStil FUN-I know a lot of people make fun of this little loop.I haven't rode here in almost 2 years and even then I only rode it a few times.I can't believe this trail used to kick my butt.Friday afternoon we left work and went with one of our customers and did the loop.What a blast.Yes,I'll admit it,it doesn't pose a lot of challenge,but it was still fun.Somebody has done a lot of work around there.I loved those little jumps all over the place.We had one slow rider with us,but we were really just there for the fun of it so what the hay.We found a way to get 14 miles through this place and they blocked some of it off for construction,but like I said we had a blast.I notice this trail sure gets a lot of posts about it,and it does make for a good night ride.Yesterday was the first time I've ever done it in daylight.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 14miles Elevation change: very little
      Singletrack=80% Paved Path=20%
      Pain Freak a Cross-Country Rider riding a M4 FSR from Fontana

      Posted:03/09/2002

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Went riding the loop with TylerBob (Bacon stayed home) as a consolation for losing in the state hockey championships. Single track through Hilscher Park is still the best part of the ride. Some sandy sections on Mormon Hill but still alot of big air opportunities. Caught some big air at the jumps while TylerBob got lost in the Eucalyptus grove.
      Ride distance: 11.5 miles Elevation change:
      Hardtail Racer a Racer riding a Moab 2 from Brea

      Posted:03/07/2002

    • Trail UpdateBrea Blvd Extension-In response to the posts regarding the multi-use trail off Brea Blvd....it does go someplace....Craig Regional Park. From the loop, once you go through the tunnels stay left. You'll have to cross Brea Blvd and continue on the trail around the golf course. It winds up at the intersection of State College and Bastanchury. From there its a pretty sweet DH section that runs along the northbound side of State College Blvd, then drops down into Craig Regional. Once in the park, I tend to go right and head toward the dam area. If you go up the west side of the dam (gravel road)then across the dam to the other side of the park, there are two short but steep DH trails. It's pretty fun. I typically ride this variation of the loop on weeknights because I happen to live over by Craig. Currently there is some construction going on, right smack dab in the middle of the DH from State College and Bastanchury. As you head north toward the mall about half way down the trail, the construction company that is building houses right there, added a cement block, right on the side of the trail. It's really close and dangerous, because it is a rather large cement block, maybe it's going to hold up a light post or something, but be assured that it is immoveable and if you hit it, going down that hill at speed, you will definitely wind up in the hospital. Have fun out there, be safe.
      JC a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:03/05/2002

    • Trail UpdateHas Anyone Thought Of This...?-Perhaps Fully Loop is being sabotaged by fellow loop riders who get pissed at the racers? Maybe it is their way of ruining the ride for the racers who may have shown disrespect to fellow riders. Maybe? I know I wouldn't be happy with those guys if they told me to get out of their way, or cut me off for no reason other than because I was in "their line."

      Does anyone think that there may be truth to this theory?

      No, I haven't done anything mentioned above. In fact, even though the loop is almost in my back yard, I haven't ridden it for months.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      LFB a 33 year old Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:03/05/2002

    • Trail UpdateRacing On The Loop-Hit the loop on a Thursday night around 6:30 and prepare to be flattened. Many of the riders on that night who ride as part of an organized effort seem to give the rest of the recreation folks a bad name. The Loop attracts all types. I'll even admit to trying to use it as a benchmark to see how much faster I can make my time. However, trail protocol doesn't supercede my need for speed. Hell, I can't afford a house in many of those neighborhoods, so if the city will allow us to pedal through and enjoy ourselves, we better respect it. BTW, I don't ride the Loop on Thursday nights, because I don't want to be part of the "Loop Wrecking Crew."
      Some guy on a bike a <30 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a something with training wheels from out of town

      Posted:03/04/2002

    • Trail UpdateHey Groovy Loop...-I think Redbeard is refering to some of the earlier posts here, about going blazing fast down the trails and riding hand made, fully supended Guava Waba's. (No offense intened)
      I've only been to the Loop a few times but I've already noticed signs popping up about areas being closed to bikers. I think everyone on this message board wants to keep the Loop open for biking. And in light of the latest grumblings from the locals, we all need to to show some respect and common sense on the Loop.

      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: miles Elevation change:
      Rayzorx a 46 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Fuji Diamond 3-full supension from West Covina

      Posted:02/26/2002

    • Trail UpdateGroovy Loop-I'm not sure what posts Redbeard is referring to, but....I rode the loop last night, and it's in excellent condition. For newbies, start at the courthouse, go right onto trail, then find someone who you can follow because after you cross a few streets, it's not obvious where the trail continues. Also, to the Thursday night groups- please don't stop your group, or fix your bike, blocking the trail. Common courtesy is to move to the side.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11? 12? Elevation change:
      Tombiker

      Posted:02/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateUpdate On Mountain Biking-In the early 90's mountain biking was some sort of underground sport with a pretty good feeling of brotherhood. Today it doesn't seem to be much more than "who has the best bike" "who can ride the fastest" "who can come up with the most insulting names on the net" and "who knows what is best for trails". What is going on? Is there any questions as to why half of the best trails ever were closed to mountain biking, if you have this attitude towards fellow bikers, then I can only amagine how you react towards hikers and horseback riders. Keep in mind, they are building a new park off of Bastanchury and this is only going to expose that part of trail to other non-bikers. I can only amagine what groovy names will be thought up to this e-mail. Go Ride!!
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Redbeard a 29 year old riding a two wheels down kind from Brea

      Posted:02/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateBirdbrain-Just a note to inform that I will be forming a group
      to do trail maintenance on the loop with city
      permission. Please pass the word to others, I will
      have contact info after I meet with the city.
      go ride!!!!!
      Birdbrain a 40 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized/foes from Lahabra

      Posted:02/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateStill A Beginner-Is there a group that does night rides for beginners? I don't know the loop yet and would like some people to go with but I don't want to hold anyone back. I can ride weekends and during the night. I have actually never riden at night. I just purchased a light and I am anxious to go.

      Thanks.

      MBH a 31 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Access Hardtail from Anaheim

      Posted:02/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateWelcome To The Loop-I have been riding the loop for awhile and have run across some pretty cool people as well as some real gear heads. The best place and most common place to start is behind the court house. There are several start and stop locations, but this seems to be the easiest for getting in and out. have fun riding and be sure to watch out for door knobs like those that have bitching and complaining about having free / maintained trail to ride. See you out there.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Redbeard a 29 year old Racer riding a does it matter? from Brea

      Posted:02/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateA Beginner I Am-I am a bdginner living in Anaheim. I used to ride a lot years ago and I want to get back into it. I hear about racing and going almost 40 mph and I was curious if the fullerton loop would be for someone like me. I could ride at night and weekends. Is there anything I should know (direction, right of ways, etc) that will help not getting my neck broken by someone going riding harder than I? Is there only one starting point/parking area or several?
      Any recent information would be greatly appreciated.

      Thanks for posting
      Ride rating: Beginner
      I am a man with a family a 31 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Access homemade from Anaheim

      Posted:02/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateDo Us (and Yourself) A Favor-Here's a hint: If you're doing waaay illegal speeds on the trail (like 38.5 mph, fast enough to kill the little neighborhood kid you didn't see), do us all a favor and don't advertise it. The rumors of the trail's closing to bicycles aren't true...yet.
      Tombiker

      Posted:02/19/2002

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Loads of Fun.. The last few days the loop has been really fast and fun.. (No, I am not racing) Just ridding hard to get the most of my ride.... Thanks to the city for filling the ruts going down to Ihado St.. Be careful you can really hit top spped NOW. I hit 38.5mph.... Ride safe and show respect to the horse back riders.....
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a trek from Fulleerton

      Posted:02/19/2002

    • Trail UpdateChill!-Hey Shawn. Chill bro. There’s a difference between racing and riding your ass off. Later-
      Carlton a 39 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Cannondale from Walnut

      Posted:02/19/2002

    • Trail UpdateHands Off !!!-I guess if you can't pop over a small root or other object in the trail, anwser is to remove it instead of trying make it at another time.That must have been the thought of the person who did just that on the single track section after the tunnel.The loop is not that technical of trail that little things like a root or a log to hop over needs to be taken out.Those are the things that makes the loop fun to ride.I'm sure that I'm not the only one who feels this way on this matter.You are not going to better your riding skills by making it easier.So think about it befor you act.The trail in general is in great shape and remember to yield to other user groups.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: miles 12 Elevation change:
      Adam a 33 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant Warp DS 2 from anahiem,ca

      Posted:02/19/2002

    • Trail UpdateHey Chumpa-I hope you have been reading the postings! I really hope you're not racing on the Loop.
      Shawn a 26 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant from Brea, CA

      Posted:02/09/2002

    • Trail UpdateTHE LOOP RULES-The loop continues to supply some of the most fun you can have with your pants on. Especially with my new hand built CHUMBA WUMBA (thursday night edition). Thanks to Ted and his crew at The Bike Beat/Chumba Wumba.

      My Chumba is a 5" floating machine, front and rear, that excellerates and climbs faster than my hardtail.

      "CHUMBA WUMBA" WORTH THE WAIT.

      Ride rating: Expert
      CRASH COLLINS a 40 year old Racer riding a CHUMBA WUMBA from Corona, CA+

      Posted:02/08/2002

    • Trail UpdateTime To Give Back-I was just wondering about the possibility of starting some kind of mountain bike patrol for the loop. It seems to me that if we want this amazing trail to stay open to MTB'ers we need to show the city that we are contributing members of the trail user group. Is anyone interested in starting a patrol (that includes assisting and educating trail users, performing trail maintenance as deemed appropriate by the city, etc.). I think it would be best if we involved the city and local bike shops. If anyones interested let me know. Also, if such a thing already exists for this trail let me know so I can help out.
      C-DaleMan a 28 year old Weekend Warrior riding a C-Dale SuperV2000 & R300 from Fullerton

      Posted:02/08/2002

    • Trail UpdateClosure-

      Thank you, sdr77, for enquiring about the rumored trail closure.

      If there was any doubt about whether reckless riding by a few will eventually affect all bikers, it should be pretty clear by the answer given by the city. Sooner or later, the equestrian riders, who have considerable clout, will be sick and tired of sociopaths on mountain bikes and they will (justifiably) see to it that all bikes will be banned from the trail (if someone doesn't get hurt and sues the city first, that is). Like it or not, the trail was originally created for hiking and horseback riding, not biking. We bikers are guests, and should behave accordingly.

      Posted:02/04/2002

    • Trail UpdateRe: Closure-I spoke with the Community Services department for the City of Fullerton this morning and there are no plans to restrict mountain bikes from any trail in Fullerton at this time. The "Loop" is not officially recognized by the City due to the potential danger crossing the various streets and rr tracks brings. However, the representative from the City did express a number of growing concerns and complaints received by them. First, there are a small group of riders who are using the loop to race and they want this to stop. The trails are for recreational use by pedestrians, equestrians, and bicyclists. Second, some riders are not following proper trail etiquette,ie: yielding to horses and people, especially to horses and their riders. The City and the other users feel that these riders are creating unsafe conditions on the trails, which has caused some users to request that bike riding be banned from all trails in Fullerton. The City does not want this to happen but fears it may if we don't ride responsibly and police ourselves. Follow the IMBA guidelines for trail use. If you don't know them go to http://www.imba.com/ , read,learn and join.

      If you need to race, go to another trail that will accommodate it. If you see people abusing the trails please let them know that they could be blowing it for the rest of us who ride the trail respectfully. It will only take one spooked horse to get the equestrian groups against us. Please pass the word.
      Sdr77 a 42 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized FSR from Placentia URL: http://www.imba.com/

      Posted:02/04/2002

    • Trail UpdateClosure?-Where did you see the announcement that the loop is being closed to mtbr's? I cannot find it on the City of Fullerton's site or anywhere else on the web. I will be calling the city at 7:30 am tomorrow to find out what the facts are.
      Sdr77 a 42 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized FSR from Placentia

      Posted:02/03/2002

    • Trail UpdateSounds Like We Need A Protest-if this is true that the trail is going to be closed to riders we need to start planning protests and so forth, this isnt right, we have a right to use the trail also....start putting up postings of dates and ideas

      Posted:02/02/2002

    • Trail UpdateBIKING PROHIBITED STARTING 3/1-Well they've finally managed to close the trail to bikers. Just saw the announcement a bit ago. The crazy thing is horses and hiking will still be allowed. Unreal!!!

      Posted:02/02/2002

    • Trail UpdateTrail Maintenance?-I rode on Wednesday around 4:00 and came across a guy with a shovel walking along the rr tracks by the golf course and the jumps were pretty torn up. This guy did not look like a rider, just a guy bent on destruction.
      Sdr77 a 42 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Specialized FSR from So Cal

      Posted:02/01/2002

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Watch out for the Horse
      Hey just a reminder we all need to sare the trail wiht the horses... When you see them try to be very cautious.. Lets share the trail..

      p.s. who tore down the jumps by the rr tracks?

      very un cool!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek 560 from Brea

      Posted:01/31/2002

    • Trail UpdateFound...bike Computer-I found a bike computer tonight on the Loop. I'm guessing it's from someone in the Thurs. night group ride. Anyway, email me if it's yours. A nice night for a ride, although a little cold.

      That extra part to Brea adds 3 miles to the loop if you cross Brea and ride around it. Some pavement, some fireroad, some singletrack.

      If anyone is in fairly decent shape, I need someone to push me so that I can get ready for Sea Otter (expert). Email me if you want to hook up and ride.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 11.5 miles Elevation change:
      Konagrl a Racer riding a Kona king kahuna

      Posted:01/31/2002

    • Trail UpdateNot New At All...-On the city trail map it's shown as "The Lost Trail", and if you cross Brea Blvd. it connects to a loop that goes around the golf course, about 1.5 mi. From the far east side of the loop there is a multi-use trail that drops down into Craig Regional Park.

      Go to the Community Services Department on City of Fullerton website to download a copy of the map showing the little loop east of Brea Blvd. and the connection to the regional park.

      DeRanger a 36 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Rocky Mountain Blizzard from OC

      Posted:01/31/2002

    • Trail UpdateNew Extension?-Has anyone stuck to the left after the tunnels under Banstanchury? There is a new section of trail that takes you all the way up to Brea Blvd. I noticed the trail continues on the other side of Brea, but I chose to turn around and catch the normal route.

      Does the trail on the other side of Brea go anywhere?

      Posted:01/31/2002

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop - Night-I rode last night - Left from the Courthouse. Started at 5, and I was the only biker on the trail (guess the cold scared you all). With the exception of a few, very small mud puddles the trail was in great shape and tacky. Climbing was great - only a couple of dabs. I didn't have a map, and got lost right after the grande downhill. I ended up backtracking to the Courthouse and still didn't see anybody. It was my initial run with a light, which was much fun.
      Yeah, it was a little chilly, but only when I stopped and then started again.
      Get on yer bike and ride!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11.9 miles Elevation change: ?
      Singletrack=Yes% Dirt Road=Yes% Paved Path=Yes%
      Pat McGroyne a 37 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a KHS softie from around the corner

      Posted:01/31/2002

    • Trail UpdateNight Riding-I have done many night rides and not had any problems at all. The only things I have heard about were instances of trail sabotage, but I have not seen it. This trail is great during the daylight but even better at night. Ride safe.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11+ miles Elevation change:
      sdr a 41 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized FSR from Placentia

      Posted:01/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Night Ridding...
      The loop is so fun at night. With all of the damp air the dirt stays nice and damp. This make for a fast ride.. Lots os fun little jumps so stay on the gas and keep off your %$#@...
      a 36 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Kona from Cypress

      Posted:01/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateTo: Tombiker-Thanks for the feedback.
      After a few rides on my own, I finally figured out the entire trail...and with a little investigating on my own, I have found small little nooks and crannies to ride on.
      It getting harder to ride when there is still sunlight up because of work, so I'm gonna have to resort to riding in the dark with lights. How safe is it to go about it alone?
      Noticing the areas and neighborhoods the trail covers, do I have to worry about anything more then upper-class rich kids trying to act street tough? I have no problems defending myself as long as no one is packing real heat.
      It's a great trail and seems like it's in great condition right now...it's too be enjoyed by all.

      As for the comment about the Mormon Hill place...I know exactly what that guy is talking about. I launched off that thing once the first time I went out and then thought about the possiblity of uphill traffic... so now I take the "not-so-fun" way and go around it. It's all about using the common sense.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      NotALocal a 26 year old Downhiller riding a SLX from OC Barrios

      Posted:01/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateMormon Hill-Hey bitter old coot, that would be a "hiking, equestrian AND riding trail". Please don't forget it.

      Yes, his behavior was unacceptable, however he, and we, have a RIGHT to this trail currently. Until that changes, please be respectful of all users who are legally within their rights. Also, mention to your other hiker friends to not drop candy wrappers all over the place.

      Thanks and have a peachy day.

      PS...this trail is overseen by a city worker who rides.

      Love ya, mean it.

      Posted:01/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateMormon Hill-is the name used to describe the long downhill section of the Nora Kuttner trail that leads up to Euclid (next to the Mormon Church property).

      old goat, a too many year old Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:01/22/2002

    • Trail UpdateQuestion-which hill is Mormon Hill and where do these names come from, i checked the maps and some of the local trail books but havent found anything that descriptive.....thanks
      Mike a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant from Brea

      Posted:01/21/2002

    • Trail UpdateDownhill Madness-

      I watched a rider on Mormon Hill on Saturday (yesterday) just before dusk. He became airborne at the stepoff before the curve that leads to the long chain-link fence. He landed in the middle of the blind turn. By any standard, this was an awsome jump - for a bike park or another appropriate setting. But not for a suburban hiking trail. I've seen kids play there and have encountered horses and hikers on their way up.

      All it takes is for someone to get hit by a moron like the one described above and the trail will be history for all. Take your reckless behavior somewhere else - please! Thank you!

      old goat, a too many year old Cross-Country Rider

      Posted:01/20/2002

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Hey, the rain has made the loop so fun to ride.. Went out Friday night and just had a blast warm weather and the dirt is s00000000000 tacky!!! GO FAST
      a 36 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel from Fullerton

      Posted:01/15/2002

    • Trail UpdateTo "Not A Local"-Usually a large group Thursday nights, they leave around 6:30, but you need lights. No lights? Just go Saturday or Sunday morning and hook up with someone, we're always there and glad to show the way. I remember my first Loop ride, the bike shop "guide" (a X country racer) blasted off at 60 mph and I never could follow him, but after a few rides I figgered where the trail went.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change: little
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=20% Paved Path=10% Truck Trail=30%
      Tombiker a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Jolly Green Giant from Orange

      Posted:01/04/2002

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop-I'm new to the area and been on a quest on finding all the spots to ride in the OC area, and it hasn't been a problem at all. Fullerton Loop has been a great find for me, mainly because of the location and what it offers in a urban surrounding! Thanks to this website, you guys and the first purchase I made settling after settling in my new home (Mountain Biking in Orange County...by Vogel/Kuechlin).
      Today was my first ride out on the Loop. Since I wasn't familar with the area, I got lost on the streets and the trails. It turned out to be a 4 four adventure but you know what, I didn't care because I was having a blast. I rode probably only 50%, if that, of the trail but probably logged around 20 miles trying to figure out where to go, and what trail goes where. I remember riding around the dam area alot, then the golf course, showed off a bit to the BMX kids at the jumps, rode next to some train tracks, some how ended up in two seperate residential areas...sure was a good time. I'm gonna give it another go early next week...I'm really curious on the National DH everyone here is talking about (naturally since I'm a DH racer).
      All in all...great ride, great place to learn/brush up on skills, just a great time. I'm a accomplished DH racer and this place was great for me and will be great for the beginner also. You southern Cali'er are quite lucky...not for just this place but all the rides the southern CA basin offers.
      ***The book "Mountain Biking OC" wasn't a bit confusing on the directions for the entire Loop. Is there a group ride I can join to get familar with the Loop?
      Ride Like You Mean It!
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: Dunno, got lost Elevation change:
      Not a Local a 26 year old Downhiller riding a SLX

      Posted:01/04/2002

    • Trail UpdateGrandpa??-I'm not going to get into an insult contest with you Bush so you can turn your caps off. If you look at my original and subsequent posts I haven't insulted anybody or put down anybody's style. I think downhill is awsome, just not convenient for me. The end of my first post had a question, that's it, just an inquery. Yes the bumps bother me but do they make the trail too difficult for me? Nope. Would I take a shovle and remove them? Nope. I guess I was amused to see a description of a "killer jump" because I've never seen anything resembling a "killer jump" on the trail. I can state my opnion without putting anyone down and I'm sure not the only one who feels that way. If that bothers you mabe you are too sensitive. I find it curious that you would make changes to your liking and suggest that anyone who dosn't like it go ride a high school track. Here's a thought: anyone who would like to add jumps, berms or whatever post their suggestion here first and poll the reaction. After all the trail belongs to many different diciplines and I don't feel it makes sense to make it something it's not (just my opnion again). To me the jumps look like a few speed bumps on a cross country trail and I do like going fast. If I were a down hiller I couldn't satisfy my needs fully on this trail. BTW I was too busy being active in my younger days to become a grandpa at this age. My son is only 7 and the reason I got into MTB'n is because it is much easier than MX (yes I can admit I'm getting old). Believe me I know how to jump and it hasn't been that long since I was clearing 70' doubles. So, as you say, I'll ride my way and you ride your way. And I'll make sure curtesy is in my style. And I never insult anybody's style or sport. I've been active in too many different sports to not appreciate them all.

      Peace, Love and Happy New Year
      Frank Kip a 47 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant XTC DS2 from Brea

      Posted:01/04/2002

    • Trail UpdateHAPPY NEW YEAR-THE TRACTION IS SWEET,HOOKIN UP REAL GOOD! ALL THE LINES,DROPS AND JUMPS ARE FLOWING! GOT OFF WORK EARLY TO HIT IT UP.I LOVE THE VERY LIGHT TRAFFIC ON THE WEEK DAYS.THIS TRAIL IS THE BEST!I LOVE IT!WHERE ELSE CAN YOU FIND THIS KIND OF TRAIL? IT HAS EVERYTHING EVEN BONUS STUFF IF YOU LOOK.RIDE ON!!!!!!!
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 15 miles from my house Elevation change:
      m.bomber a 27 year old Downhiller riding a the hummer of bikes from la mirada

      Posted:01/02/2002

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-FULLERTON LOOP
      The loop has a lot to offer. It offers some great training and packs a lot of fun. It is one of the best maintained trails around. Hey the little jumps are cool!Watch out for the mud holes and keep it on 2 wheels
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a trek from Fullerton

      Posted:12/30/2001

    • Trail Update"LITTLE TITTIES"-THE LOOP IS STILL A GOOD AREOBIC WORK OUT,THOSE JUMPS ARENT IN ANYBODIES WAY.ADDING A LITTLE CHANGE IS GOOD TO SPICE IT UP A BIT.UNLESS GRANDPA STILL LIKES EATING THE SAME APPLESAUCE EVERYDAY,(KRANK FIP).I RIDE AT MY LEVEL YOU RIDE AT YOURS,I DONT PUT ANYONE DOWN FOR HOW THEY RIDE.SO FAR I HAVENT SEEN ANYBODY HIT THE "LITTLE TITTIES"CONDITIONS ARE GOOD NOT THAT MUDDY AT ALL,EXCEPT THE LAST BITCH REALLY SLICK ON THE CLIMB.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      G.W. BUSH a 27 year old Downhiller riding a SC BULLIT

      Posted:12/30/2001

    • Trail UpdateNational Downhill-Those little jumps will come and go. No big deal. Does anyone know if we'll get the National downhill back?
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: miles 11.5 Elevation change: na
      Singletrack=60% Dirt Road=30% Paved Path=10%
      rick a 45 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a trek8000

      Posted:12/30/2001

    • Trail UpdateIt's Not Bad For A City Trail-The Fullerton loop was excellent for aerobic exercise before the little titties you call jumps were added. If you need a rough downhill with killer jumps there are plenty of mountains for you ride. Go find one.
      Frank Kip a 47 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant XTC DS2 from Brea

      Posted:12/29/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-No reason to remove jumps. The loop is a great place to ride for all riders so lets keep it fun. I have also noticed that you never have to go over any jump you do not want to you can go around it!!!!!!!!
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek from Fullerton

      Posted:12/27/2001

    • Trail UpdateSCROOGE-A KILLER JUMP WAS FLATEND BECAUSE SOMEONE COULDN'T HANDLE IT.OBSTACLES AND SECTIONS THAT TAKE A LITTLE SKILL SHOULDN'T BE KNOCKED DOWN.YOU CAN WALK IT OR RIDE AROUND.IF YOU LIKE TO RIDE ON FLAT SURFACES PLEASE GO TO YOUR LOCAL HIGHSCHOOL TRACK.PLEASE LET THE LOOP EVOLVE AS IT DOES.CONDITIONS ARE PERFECT.
      HO-HO-HO AND MERRY CHRISTMAS

      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      G.W. BUSH a 27 year old Downhiller riding a VRX 300

      Posted:12/25/2001

    • Trail UpdateNew Jumps...-I think the new jumps are cool and add a little excitement to the loop since it is already almost like a freeway already... Don't whine if you don't have the ability to jump those tiny jumps, consider it a challenge to further better your biking skills!!!

      Posted:12/16/2001

    • Trail UpdateNew Jumps-As with any man-made modification to a natural trail, one man's annoyance is another's source of joy. Personally, I'm against taking a shovel and adding "interest" to a public trail, but kids will be kids.
      Actually, I kinda like those new little jumps next to the tracks, but if you ride a hardtail, I could see where you might not.
      Tom a 43 year old

      Posted:12/16/2001

    • Trail UpdateI Get My Kicks-I had adenoma surgery on Nov 20th and was able to ride the loop by the 24th. Went for a late ride leaving the house at 9pm. Wife was not too pleased so I took my cell phone for comfort. Anybody else ride this late? Got to the top of the hill overlooking the city about 9:30 and was able to watch fireworks from Disneyland and a couple of other places. It was a clear night because of recent rain. Got home just after 10, what a great ride.

      Had another more extensive surgery Dec 4th. Was finally able to ride Wed the 12th after half of stiches were removed. Skipped the Widow Maker for obvious reasons. The trail was firm after rain a couple days before without any mud problems. The grass on the side of the trail was deep and green. The air was cool but the sun was warm. Dosn't get much better.

      The "freeway" downhill to Euclid is very bumpy at the bottom and there are some jumps/bumps on the trail along the tracks near the golf course. How do these get there? Are MTB'rs adding these or just kids riding freestyle? They seem useless except to be a bother to riders, horses and runners.
      Frank Kip a 47 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Full XTR Giant XTC DS2 from Brea

      Posted:12/15/2001

    • Trail Update!!!!!!!!!!!-ELABORATE ON WHAT TYPE OF TRAPS AND SPECIFICALLY WHERE
      THEY ARE ON THE TRAIL
      BUNGLE a 27 year old Downhiller riding a sc bullit

      Posted:12/15/2001

    • Trail UpdateCAUTION!!-More traps found!

      Posted:12/14/2001

    • Trail UpdateGreat Conditions-Sorry you're not riding, Mike. I just got back from a Thursday night ride, and I can tell you that when you finally do get to ride, the trail's in really nice condition. Except for the new freestyle motocross jumps alongside the railroad tracks, it's all much the same, but with awesome traction. What a great weeknight ride!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change: little
      Singletrack=25% Dirt Road=25% Paved Path=25% Truck Trail=25%
      Tom a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Jolly green Giant from Orange

      Posted:12/13/2001

    • Trail UpdateNothing New-i miss riding this trail, school and work have kept me away, a midnight posting on the website is the closest thing to mountain biking i have been able to muster in weeks...counting down until christmas break, and it better not rain
      Mike a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant from Brea

      Posted:12/12/2001

    • Trail UpdateA Little Bit Of Heaven (Still)-The loop is currently in superb condition. The recent rains have taken care of most all the soft stuff. The temperature during the day is perfect for a ride. I have to agree with Mike Chung (posting below). It is sometimes hard to believe that this trail is located in the middle of Southern Cali.

      Wouldn't it be nice, if the local developers and city council weren't hellbent on covering every square inch of remaining open space with the densely packed crap they call homes? Bulldozers are already levelling large portions of the beautiful coastal hills that make up the spectacular views along segments of the loop.

      Maybe a little activism from the MTB crowd might be in order to try and save what still can be saved?

      Old Goat a too many year old Cross-Country Rider riding a SC Superlight

      Posted:12/02/2001

    • Trail UpdateShort Loop On Friiday-Took my bike to work...Just in case...

      Around lunch time the sun was out, puffy clouds...Can't miss out. But where do I go...

      Of course, the Loop is only 10 minutes away.

      I was so short on time I had to to really shave my ride down...Start at Court, push through until I hit Rosecrans towards Coyote Hills...Shortcut up Gilbert...Up Nora Kuttner...To the Lake...Exit the lake...Skip the railroad...Ride on to Bastanchury...Up the tiny hill and then back down to the court...

      Yes, it was short...But for a moment, crusing down through Hiltscher Park...at 2:00 pm with the low winter sunlight filtering throught the trees, with no one else on the trail...for a moment I was lost. All I heard was the whiz of my freewheel, the sound of dirt and leaves compressing underneath my "svelt" frame, and was dazzled the light dancing ahead of me...

      It is nice to find sanctuary like this in the middle of suburbia. Every town and city should have a loop like this to ride...

      BTW, ground was perfectly tacky...no real bad mud...take advantage of it...

      -Mike Chung


      Thunnus a 32 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Dream Boat from San Gabriel

      Posted:12/01/2001

    • Trail UpdatePlease Read Post#39-this was from my experience and it wasnt taggers.it was a bunch of honkey white kids.be careful and stay alert

      Posted:11/29/2001

    • Trail UpdateA Gift From Huntington Beach-It seems someone's dumped truckloads of sand (dirt?) on parts of the trail; it looks like rut-filling maintenance, which is fine, but it caught my group by surprise last night. Be careful. Also, regarding night time safety- I often ride alone, in the winter, at 8:00 at night, and have never had a problem. Never even seen a tagger under the bridge.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change: little
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=25% Paved Path=25% Truck Trail=30%
      Tom a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Jolly Green Giant from Orange

      Posted:11/29/2001

    • Trail UpdateSafety....-Well I've been riding the loop for a couple of years now, and personally I have not heard of any kind of theft or robberies during a early night ride. It might be wise to invest in a bike light. Oh, and carry a cell phone just in case.

      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12miles Elevation change:
      James a 29 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Schwinn from Huntington Beach

      Posted:11/29/2001

    • Trail UpdateSafe To Ride Alone At Night?-Hi there, I am new to the loop and I often ride after work. Sometimes I go on the group ride on thursdays but mostly I ride on other weekdays when there is less traffic. Does anybody knows if it is safe to ride out there alone, especially in winter when it is complete darkness after 6. I heard someone talking about potential robbery there, does anyone has any updates? Thanks and happy riding.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=40% Dirt Road=40% Paved Path=20%
      Alan a 31 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek from Orange County, CA

      Posted:11/27/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Wow, I HAVE NOT BEEN ON THIS SIGHT FOR A LONG TIME AND ALL i SEE IS PEOPLE BASHING THE TRAIL ETC ETC ETC... HEY THE LOOP IS A GREAT PLACE TO RIDE AND WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE THANKFUL FOR ALL THE WORK THE CITY OF FULLERTON PUTS INTO THE TRAIL. LETS RIDE AND HAVE FUN..
      P.S. THE SET OF QUADS ARE FUN!!!!!!
      MIKE a 35 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a TREK FUEL from FULLERTON

      Posted:11/23/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Rode the loop yesterday early.

      I have not ridden here in awhile. It was a lot nicer since the rain. Wow, a lot of the really soft stuff is more manageable. Had no mud problems except one area. After Mormon Hill, up Euclid and towards the lake, you can take the single track as the high road or stick to the dirt lots below and then head up a small grass hill before heading down the back of it into the parking lot and then across the driveway into the lake...Well, on the litlle grass hill going up, the mud was funky. Kept sliding sidways and then got off and got it all over the bottom of my shoes and in my pedals. Harding to get into after that. Other than that, it was a lot faster than I remember before.

      I was short on time, and had not ridden for about 1 1/2 weeks so I skipped the first big hill and went across on Gilbert and then on up Nora Kuttner (I know, I know...leave me alone).

      Took my friend for his first time here. He loved it.

      -Mike Chung
      Ride rating: Novice
      Thunnus a 32 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Gary Fisher from San Gabriel

      Posted:11/19/2001

    • Trail UpdateTrail Building/maintenance-See post #13 below ..."I'm not sure if the parks department is in charge of maintaining that area, although I think it might be under the supervision of the Army Corp of Engineers (the people who built and maintain the dam itself). I've talked with the man in charge of city maintenance and he seems like a really good guy. He's eager to listen to anything trail users have to say and correcting any problems that may be happening, give him a shout (go to the City of Fullerton Website for contact info)..."

      I think it would be a good idea to check with these folks before taking trail building into your own hands. On the other hand, they'll tell you not to, so if you decide to anyway, just don't tell anyone.

      Ride rating: Novice
      Tom a 43 year old

      Posted:11/19/2001

    • Trail UpdateGood Point-Does anybody know what we can or cannot do to these trails ? I have seen new trails pop up in the riverbed section, with no hassles ?
      JC a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:11/19/2001

    • Trail UpdatePermission?-Might be a good idea to find out if the land owner wants you carving up the hills with new trails first.

      Don't screw things up for the rest of us, please.
      Al Urker

      Posted:11/18/2001

    • Trail UpdateAnother Ass...I Mean Opinon-Harumph !!
      Bungle Johnson is RIGHT ! With the loss of the DH to Nationals, the Loop has lost some of its appeal. Being a local rider, I'd be glad to help. I've got one of those trenching tools from the Army that I can carry with me when I ride. What do we need to do ? Where do we begin ? Feel free to toss some ideas up here and I'll go to work. I ride the loop generally Saturday and Sunday mornings, so if that is good for anybody else, let's do it. With Thanksgiving upon us, I'll probably not get out to the loop until the 1st of December. So let some ideas fly !


      JC a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:11/18/2001

    • Trail UpdateAriel View-I was playing around on Mapquest.com and you can take a look at the loop by searching for Fullerton, CA and then clicking on the Ariel View button. You will have to do some zooming and panning, but if you find Harbor Blvd., then you will be able to navagate from there. This is a little something to do when it is raining or you are at work.
      Mad Man on the Net from Brea, Ca

      Posted:11/15/2001

    • Trail UpdateWet Trails-With the rainy season upon us, lets remember to give the trails a day or two to dry out before riding. This goes for the horses too.
      Iguana a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Gary Fisher from Fullerton

      Posted:11/13/2001

    • Trail UpdateOpinion Voiced-It would be really cool to have some single track mixed with drop offs. I don't think your average weekend worrior would take to it to well though. From my past experienece it is better to build and not tell so your trails don't get bull dozed. Most pro downhillers build their own technincal trails and not force them on others, this way you get them all to your self and they don't get messed up by somebody with a shovel. I am all for a decision maker in a couple of spots with a rythm section.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      red beard a 28 year old riding a giant from brea

      Posted:11/13/2001

    • Trail UpdateVoice Your Opinion-seems like the loop is getting wider and flatter.with the green monster up,though a small section,was a
      blast.is now off limits.you had single track,jumps or a smooth part.choices are good as to mix up the ride a little.
      had a thought(i'm not an expert on enviromental sensitivity)how about building a single track network branching off the peak of the last bitch? switchbacks,
      jumps,some small drops? please share your thoughts


      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      bungle a 27 year old Downhiller riding a sc bullit

      Posted:11/11/2001

    • Trail UpdateTrail Maintenance-There's a difference between trail maintenance, and changing the trail to make it easier to ride or run. I agree the trail needs occasional maintenance. Is that up to us riders? Or does the city do it? However, I'm completely opposed to people leveling jumps or otherwise simplifying the trail. It's also true that the Fullerton Loop is home to all kinds of horse and bicycle riders (little kids, beginners, and seasoned pros) and you won't be able to get them all to stop skidding. Good news: The rain earlier this week has helped the sandy conditions, at least a little.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 miles Elevation change: little
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=20% Paved Path=20% Truck Trail=20%
      Tom a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Jolly Green Giant from Orange

      Posted:11/07/2001

    • Trail UpdateSkidders Are Not Needed-I rode the trail last night and man there was alot of studder bumps on the down hill section to the golf course. People this is not a real technincal part of the course and actually the sirt of right turn at the bottom will hook you up so you don't end up in the railing. If you feel the need to brake, then please brake easy. Braking easy will decrease the amount of damage made to trail. Everyone has been complaining about the maintenance to trail as far as making it easy, but whay isn't anyone talking about the damage?
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      Red Beard a 28 year old riding a 2 Wheeled Kind from Brea, Ca

      Posted:11/07/2001

    • Trail UpdateGreen Monster-I like the way you think Tom !!! Well if that's the case, you all can count on me to stop by and lobby once the new place opens. And I would be a happy man if it happened to be a Deja Vu.
      JC a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:11/02/2001

    • Trail Update"Green Monster"-One look down the hill into the parking lot of the former National Sports Bar will tell you that there's going to be construction down there, probably by a new owner. For liability's sake, you can't have bikers running through a construction site. Legally, we never had the right to ride through a privately-owned parking lot, but I hope that once it's converted to a new gentlemen's club (I can dream, can't I?) they'll open it up again.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change: little
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=40% Paved Path=20% Truck Trail=20%
      Tom a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Green Giant from Orange

      Posted:11/02/2001

    • Trail UpdateGreen Monster-That info from C-Dale guy is good stuff. But I'm still wondering what the deal is with the Nationals DH ? Is the green monster going to be permanent ? I would be heart-broken if that is going to be the case. That section is really the only thing to look forward to after Mormon Hill.
      JC a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:10/31/2001

    • Trail UpdateChanges Behind The Dam-If you've noticed all of the arrows painted in the dirt on the trail behind the dam it seems as though a local cross country team is using it as one of their trails. This might explain some of the so-called "improvements". I'm not sure if the parks department is in charge of maintaining that area, although I think it might be under the supervision of the Army Corp of Engineers (the people who built and maintain the dam itself). I've talked with the man in charge of city maintenance and he seems like a really good guy. He's eager to listen to anything trail users have to say and correcting any problems that may be happening, give him a shout (go to the City of Fullerton Website for contact info).
      C-DaleMan a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a C-Dale SuperV2000 & R300 from Fullerton

      Posted:10/31/2001

    • Trail UpdateMy 2 Cents!-After riding most of the loop I came up on the section after the tunnels to start the trail with the little drop.Where's the problem?.That little log that was placed there in know way ruined that drop.I could not tell it was there until I droped in and popped up the other side and stoped to look at it.As for the cement at the sand hill that might be alittle much but no big deal.What really sucked was the fencing that now blocks off the old nationals downhill and puts you into some cul de sac.I hope that section is not lost for ever.If anybody as some info reguarding that section and its future please let us who read this site know.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: miles 12 Elevation change:
      Josh a 20 year old Downhiller riding a Intence uzzi

      Posted:10/24/2001

    • Trail UpdateWho Is Doing This Maintenance?-It's hard for me to believe that an ambitious yet lame biker brought his own ready-mix concrete out there...is this what's happening? Or is it the city or parks dept? If it's the latter, perhaps there's someone we can write/call. If it's not the city doing it, we should write/call them, or better yet, let's organize a "maintenance" day. I'll bring shovels, or whatever.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 miles Elevation change: none
      Singletrack=30% Dirt Road=30% Paved Path=10% Truck Trail=30%
      Tom a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Jolly Green Giant from Orange

      Posted:10/23/2001

    • Trail UpdateNice Sidewalk-First the railroad ties, then that big ol' plank, and now some dunderhead has actually gone to the trouble of pouring cement so he can more easily ride up the small sandy uphill shortly after the golf-course tunnels. Um, it was perfectly rideable before; no need to start turning sections like that into concrete walkways. And while we're at it, who ruined the fun little 2.5-foot wheelie drop just before that section by building up a dirt mound and so they can roll down it? Jeez, learn some bike-handling skills instead of trying to make the trail fit for the lowest common denominator. If you can't ride it, walk it. Don't ruin it for everyone else.
      ODB

      Posted:10/23/2001

    • Trail UpdateShut Down-the nice little section down behind nationals is now off limits.a green tarp and chain link fence now blocks our path.lookin to build some new jumps
      bungle a 27 year old Downhiller riding a sc bullit

      Posted:10/21/2001

    • Trail UpdateLittle Yellow-watch for trail changes down behind nationals,now is the time to look before you leap.as of 10-15 the jumps and trails are still there but for how long?ride safe
      also be aware of a$$holes wrecking the trail and possible violence it almost happend to me.read post #15
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      bungle a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a sc bullit from la mirada

      Posted:10/15/2001

    • Trail UpdateTrail Courtesy-When I ride the loop I make it a point to slow down and say hi or pardon me to people walking or riding horses. I also walk my dogs frequently and let my 7 year old son ride his bike on the loop and was pleased recently to hear MTBr's being courtious to us as they passed. I know we are not accepted by all on the trail but I think this really makes a good impression to most people. A bike can be more intimidating than other forms of recreation on a trail so making a good impression is extra valuable. Just a hello even when they aren't looking will usually get a likewise reply. Cudos to all.
      Frank Kip a 46 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant XTC DS2 from Brea

      Posted:10/15/2001

    • Trail Update....everywhere Theres Signs...-Just like the Tesla song of the 80's, the DH to Nationals has new yellow decorations...stating that the bike trail is closed and to exit using Brea Blvd. Personally I just rode right past them, but if you take the left fork they planted one right in the middle of the singletrack so look out. Signs, signs everywhere theres signs, blockin up the scenery....you get it. Oh and enough whining...jeeze.
      Ride rating: Novice
      JC a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:10/15/2001

    • Trail UpdateWhat's the deal with down hill at the end of the ride. I still took it.Too many signs. It's a little loose and watch out for the sand bags at the bottom if your riding at night.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 11, Elevation change: ?
      Singletrack=98%
      Carlton a 39 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Cannondale from Walnut

      Posted:10/12/2001

    • Trail UpdateFully Loop-Whiner!
      LFB a 33 year old Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:10/08/2001

    • Trail UpdateThanks For The Sarcasm-Wow, I'm not sure why it happened, but it did. This board is full of sarcastic jerks. Jokes I get, jokes are funny and yes, jokes have a place on this board. What is unneccesary is sarcastic repsonses to serious questions. Now, I have fairly thick skin and to be honest sarcasm isn't such a big deal for me but I though that the whole point of a message board was for people to get information. My questions were simple, when does the ride start and can I make it without lights or not. For most people out there, they understand that I'm asking if the ride finishes before the point where it's so dark that lights are needed. For the nitpicking idiots, however, I think in the future I have to be more clear. But back to my point, I think it's important to encourage people to ask questions, to get more people interested in our sport, and to help those who we share this wonderful trail with. Having informed riders out there will help keep the trails open.
      C-DaleMan a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a C-Dale SuperV2000 & R300 from Fullerton

      Posted:10/08/2001

    • Trail UpdateUnless You Have Night Vision....-...someone below asked if you might need lights when it gets dark. Yes. The day they light up the whole trail for recreational hikers/bikers, is the day I'll stop riding there. I love winter riding- it's dark, quiet, cool, peaceful, and not crowded. The Thursday crowd yesterday (of which I'm not a part) left just about 6:30, with lights.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change:
      Singletrack=10% Dirt Road=210% Paved Path=10% Truck Trail=10%
      tom a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Jolly Green Giant from Orange

      Posted:10/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-If anyone found a set of keys with in the courthouse lot I would love to get them back. I rode there on Wednesday. I haven't seen my keys since. Please email me with any information. Thanks.
      Kory a 34 year old riding a Titus Loco Moto from Long Beach

      Posted:10/04/2001

    • Trail UpdatePolice Dept-For any of you oho carry a cell phone and want to call the police. about some vandals on the trail the Fullergton Police Dept. # is (714)738-6715 Dont Second Guess Calling Keep the trails Safe !!! Happy Riding
      a Weekend Warrior riding a Trek 4300 from Buena Park Ca

      Posted:10/04/2001

    • Trail UpdateThursday Night Ride Question-Wanted to know more about the Thursday night ride. Now that it's getting darker earlier, does it still start at 6? If so, are lights needed?
      Thanks for the info.
      C-DaleMan a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a C-Dale SuperV2000 & R300 from Fullerton

      Posted:10/04/2001

    • Trail UpdateSick & Tired!!!-I am all for everybody who wants to enjoy the trails being paint ballers, hikers or whoever.But when people start tearing up the loop or trying to hurt someone in the process that needs to be delt with.Like pulling out all the railroad ties to build a dam to devert the water in a different direction.(That section has been repaired)I for one carry a cel phone where ever I ride and will not stand for this BS. on this trail or anyother trail and will not hesitate one second to call police to report it!.I hope that eveyone would also do the same.This is such a great trail for everyone to enjoy.It would be a shame to lose this trail due to a few bad apples.Also props to the city's trail maint.crew for all their work on the loop that they do.

      Ride rating: Novice
      TC a 28 year old Weekend Warrior riding a When ever i can from Placentia, Ca

      Posted:10/01/2001

    • Trail UpdatePaint Ballers Too.....-Not only have I seen some curious characters in the river-bed section, there are some paint-ballers too. I haven't been hit yet, in fact they may have not have been firing in my direction, but it was close enough where I could hear the paint pellets hitting branches and bushes near me.
      Oh and that problem I've been having with Nationals is cured....I take the middle fork....it's like a snake through the middle section, avoiding the sand. It makes that hill so much fun.
      Ride rating: Novice
      JC a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:09/29/2001

    • Trail UpdatePlease Read Note #2-potential violence and robbery on the loop please be careful!!!!!!!!!

      Posted:09/18/2001

    • Trail UpdateMy Boys Hooked!!!-Took my 12 year old son for his first mountain bike ride ever to Fullerton on Sunday and he had the best time ever.
      I was sure proud of him following me everywhere i went.
      He crashed a few times and got up , brushed him self off and kept asking for more. Let him wear my Camelback and he thought that was the coolest, heheh
      Its awsome how kids have no fear and just point it down hill.


      Ride rating: Novice
      Patski a 41 year old Cross-Country Rider from lakewood,Ca

      Posted:09/17/2001

    • Trail UpdateLoop-things are really getting scarry,came out of the tunnels and made a left then the quick right to do the little drop that goes along the creek,the whole thing was flooded out.saw a group of 4-5 guys in the water,looks like they were messing around and building a dam.i let them know that the water is contaminated,they didnt seem to care ,however they started to come closer to me like they wanted something and said "nice bike" by this point i knew where this was going.i got out of there before anyone was within arms length. one guy i could take but not 4 . be careful and stay alert
      bungle a 27 year old Downhiller riding a sc bullit

      Posted:09/16/2001

    • Trail Update"Signs Before Nationals"-I got some info from a good friend of mine about these signs that were posted.When the original downhill was eliminated the one that went all the way to harbor.The trail was rerouted to put you out onto the cul-de-sac at helen st. and signs were posted a few times to show you but were torn down.The national section is property of the driving range and not the citys.There are some signs that say that in that section.Bottom line to more signs is that their is a MTBER out there not taking responsibility for his own actions and trying to gain some money from the city in a lawsuit.With people like that our trails are at risk of being closed.I myself love this trail and thankful to have it in my city.

      Bruce a 42 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant ac-air from fullerton

      Posted:09/10/2001

    • Trail UpdateWhats Up...-What's up with the sign just before Nationals. At the fork it says "Recreational Trail" if you go straight and "Closed Area" if you take the right fork up the short climb to the Nationals down hill.
      Dave B.

      Posted:09/10/2001

    • Trail UpdateTo all those that were wondering, the "Nationals Hill" is the drop just above the driving range before Harbor Blvd. The building that is under construction used to be National Sports Bar. Stay behind your seat and carry some speed through the sand and you shouldn't have any problem, just let the front float a little. To all others and everyone else, rain is coming so stay of the wet trail and you feel the need to ride, break easy so you don't create and studder bumbs. Does anyone know of a group to do trail maintenance here?
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 15 miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=20% Paved Path=20% Truck Trail=60%
      Red Beard a 28 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant from Brea

      Posted:09/10/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Rode there last Sunday with the dirty dozen!!!
      started at the lake this was a little diffrent but fun
      lost one ride about a mile everyone else hung in there.
      Barry and I went for the second lap and I bonked big time.
      all all it was great!!!
      JC which one is nationals hill?
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 24miles Elevation change:
      MR BONK a 40 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek vrx400 from Rancho cucamonga

      Posted:09/06/2001

    • Trail UpdateWho's The Man ?-Okay so I'm still learning the tricks on the Loop. Granted it's a pretty easy trail and all and the tricks for survival are pretty much, don't get hit by a car while crossing Euclid, but is anybody having a tough time with the Nationals Hill ? I've wiped in that sand 2 out of the last 3 times I tried it. I've been taking the right side along the fence, because it seems like the less of the three evils, but that deep sand/mogul combo has beat me up pretty good. BTW....did anybody see the last one tuesday night ? It was breath-taking.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=30% Dirt Road=30% Paved Path=10% Truck Trail=30%
      JC a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:08/30/2001

    • Trail UpdateYEAH !!!-I'm a rookie on the loop, only been riding it for about two weeks. What I find funny though is all the trash talk I see on this site, but when I'm on the trail, everybody is so friendly ? I'm not saying that I advocate confrontation, but it's just funny that once people have a place to voice their opinions in virtual annonymity (sp?) they'll go off ! But on the loop it's nice, peaceful, enjoyable, comforting and most of all fun. If anybody is reading this column and is discouraged by what they are seeing, just disregard it, head down to the courthouse, and hit the loop. It's a great ride enjoy it...I do every night !!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Singletrack=30% Dirt Road=30% Paved Path=5% Truck Trail=5%
      JC a 29 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Fuel 90 from Brea

      Posted:08/24/2001

    • Trail UpdateOnce And For All, From CRASH-This site is not for cry-babies! If you want to cry, go home and wimper to your mommy. Please don't pollute OUR site with your pu_sy a_s moaning.

      You are a negative force in our world of mountain biking and make me realize why I like the Loop so much. "Because of the lack of idiots that think they are fast but are really slow".

      If you feel you are too fast go somewhere else and ride.

      Yet me, loving the sport and loving our loop as much as I do will allow you ride with us if:

      You race me, start to finshish, "all sections" with a minimun air time requirement (styling points) This includes two sets of doubles you must clear, the far left Blair Witch climb and Ron's ridge or if you don't know how to jump. I'll race you on road bikes.
      I believe you popped off about beating us on your road bike. (maximum tire size 23c)the whole loop with all extra credit.

      Please do not respond unless it's on your bike. As the title of this is Once and For All.

      Everyone enjoy the LOOP and let's rembember to pull off the trail when we stop so we don't upset speedy.
      Ride rating: Expert
      Crash Collins a 39 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a MooFoo from Corona

      Posted:08/23/2001

    • Trail UpdateNo More Weekends For Me!-The weather this week rawks! This is the first time I've ridden so early since the work hours have changed. Got on the trail at about 3:45 yesterday and I only saw 2 other people on the trail. Woohooo gonna be my regular ride from now on.
      Platypus a 26 year old riding a Moab 1 from Anaheim URL: AMA

      Posted:08/23/2001

    • Trail UpdateTrail Hazard-just doing my duty letting ya all know that there is part of tree down just after the lake on the right side climb, its blocking the way but can be ridden through without stopping just dont let it startle you like it did me, almost went down the steep left side.....other than that the trail is in great shape
      Mike a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant from Brea

      Posted:08/21/2001

    • Trail UpdateThe Poop On The Loop-Rode the loop this afternoon. All is in good condition. Lots of Hikers out had to be very cautious, but was still able to make great time. Thanks to whoever put the wood planks in the little sand climb on the lower single track south of the tunnels. That works great!
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 12 Elevation change: 14.5 ft
      Singletrack=55% Dirt Road=20% Paved Path=5% Truck Trail=20%
      Clancy Noleen/K2 crash test dummy a 40 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Many K2's from Norco

      Posted:08/21/2001

    • Trail UpdateFULLY LOOP-Rode two loops Sunday morning. Alot of fun as always. Loop is in good condition. Thanks to those who maintain it.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11 miles Elevation change: not much
      TK II a 31 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a TWO WHEELER from OUT OF NOWHERE

      Posted:08/21/2001

    • Trail UpdateResist The Sierra Club-REFUSE AND RESIST THE SIERRA CLUB,THEY WANT TO CLOSE ALL THE BEAUTIFUL SINGLE TRACK IN THE CLEVELAND NATIONAL FOREST.THIS CAN NOT AND WILL NOT HAPPEN!!
      E-MAIL CALL ANNOY ALL LOCAL ,STATE AND NATIONAL GOVERNMENT.GO TO THIS SITE AND BE HEARD!!!
      http://www.warriorssociety.org/sierra_club_seeks_wilderness.htm
      BUNGLE a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:08/15/2001

    • Trail UpdateTrail Hazards-two problems right after the golf course...seems there are some contaminated water signs up near the tunnels, it was blocked off with tape but looks like every one has ignored the warnings and passed through anyways....also very large tree down just after the tunnels on the left path, its passable but you gotta climb over
      Mike a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant from Brea

      Posted:08/14/2001

    • Trail UpdateIsn't It All About Fun?-Mountain biking is an activity I started about 4 months ago and I still love riding despite the pain from crashing, the frustration of being dropped by the hammerheads and the burning sensation in my legs from climbing. I watch in awe of the seasoned men and women who blow by me and know that some day I will be on the other side of the fence.

      Riding the Fullerton Loop on Thursday evenings is something that I look forward to every week. The group I ride with are friendly and encouraging. Something that I find refreshing and also realize that without riders like these many newbies will easily be discouraged. Riding the Loop is something we enjoy at our own leisure and pace. There are slow and fast riders among us and we ride for the pleasure it gives us.

      Why should it matter if one rider finds the Loop more difficult than another rider? Does finishing the Loop well under an hour more satisfying than finishing way past the hour? Isn’t the whole point of riding is to enjoy the trail and to elevate one’s skill level? Is it difficult to slow down or stop to politely point out that stopped riders are blocking the trail? Although riding etiquette has a lot to do with common sense, a lack of good judgment does happen and everyone benefits from a reminder.

      I ride because I enjoy it. Fast or slow, all that matters is how much fun I’m having. If I’m slowing you down, bear with me and I won’t stop you from passing me at the next available opportunity. If I’m violating trail etiquette, enlighten me and it won’t happen again. In turn, I will some day pass on that knowledge.

      If we can’t enjoy our rides, fast or slow, then why bother riding at all? Having fun, isn’t that why we all started riding?!…

      IMD

      Posted:08/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateWhy So Hostile?-the loop was very good 8-4-01 ,went out about 10:30am
      not a lot of traffic.is all this pointless arguing
      necessary?wow you can do the loop in 45 min good for you go get a number plate and race.we're there to ride not have a fashion contest or race or put people down who aren't as fast as the other guy.do you think all the sporto 24 lbs hardtail guys like it when i pass them on my 36 lbs fat tire squish bike on the uphills?
      no ,but it shouldn't matter just ride baggy,tight,fullface,whatever the point is to get away and relax enjoy and try to preserve this gem of a trail that we have.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      bungle a 27 year old Downhiller riding a sc bullit from la mirada

      Posted:08/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateGlen Needs To Find A New Trail-hey glen if you havent noticed the loop is also used by others than mountain bikers, you are probably one of the asses that makes the rest of us look bad being inconsiderate and out of control....there are many of us who ride for the pure pleasure of it and are not concerned with times or your show off ass huffing and puffing pass us on the uphill...if you dont like it do us all a favor and go elsewhere
      Mike a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant from Brea

      Posted:08/04/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-I'm starting to realize that Mountain biking is full of GOONS. I hear everyone saying how easy the Fullerton loop has become, yet I see more people stopped off at the side of the trail, fat guys on down hill bikes walking there bikes up the hills.
      By no means am i saying this ride is extremely advanced but if your not doing the ride from the Court House and back to the court house in about 45 minutes then you might want to get off your fat ass and ride a little faster or at least go to another riding area, so you won't be in the people's way who like the Fullerton Loop. and if it's too easy even at 45 minutes, ride to loops.
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Glen Danzig a 26 year old Weekend Warrior

      Posted:08/04/2001

    • Trail UpdateDead Reptiles!-I have yet to see a dead reptile on the trail and I have ridden it about 50 times. And you saw tire tracks on it's back? WTF does your multi-tool have a friggin microscope on it? I've seen dead reptiles on my street that were run over by cars and they sure did'nt have tire tracks on them. You don't suppose that 9" lizard could have been stepped on by a horse now do ya? Nah a horse would never do that what am I thinking. I highly doubt people go ride the fullerton loop to purposely smash lizards and snakes. So take it easy there Mr. Karma. Anyway it was nice to see the guy out on the small hill after the climb through grissom park fixing up the 3 jumps this past Sunday. I almost thought about stopping but darn it I was having too much fun. :) I think i scared the crap out of him too.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Platypus a 26 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Moab 1 from Anaheim URL: AMA

      Posted:07/31/2001

    • Trail UpdateRoad this trail on Sunday about 7:30 a.m. and I saw one tree down after the steep climb before the big drop down to Harbor Blvd. After the tree down area it is real sandy unless you do the double to the left. The rest of the trail was in pretty good condition for not having any rain or maintenance.
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Ride distance: ? miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=30% Dirt Road=10% Paved Path=10% Truck Trail=50%
      Red Beard a 28 year old riding a Giant from Brea, CA

      Posted:07/24/2001

    • Trail UpdateTrees Down Everywhere!-The same area, after the golf course, big tree down on the trail that's furthest from the tunnel to the left. Gotta get off and carry the bike over so be careful.
      C-DaleMan a 27 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a C-Dale SuperV 2000 & R300 from Fullerton

      Posted:07/18/2001

    • Trail UpdateAnother Tree Down-rode the trail tuesday evening, small tree down after the golf course, where the trail forks in three, the middle trail has a tree down, you can pass it but not on your bike......on a lighter note, i was a little tired today and had my first spill, it was pretty hilarious, i was laughing the whole way down the side of the hill, bike flipped over me and i did three rolls but not a scratch on me, nice thick patch of dead brush i went through, itchy as hell though....would love to hear from the two guys who witnessed it
      Mike a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Silver Giant, something or another from Brea

      Posted:07/18/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Hey do not worry about holding up the group ride cause they are not even close to being "pros" and yes they do stop alot because they need to rest.The loop is in perfect condition but it has become very easy.I could probably ride my road bike and still keep up with the Thursday night ride.My advice to you if you want a good workout is, do 2 loops without stopping and you will feel like you accomplished something.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 23 miles Elevation change: not much
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=60% Paved Path=10% Truck Trail=10%
      a Racer riding a wicked fast hardtail from Walnut

      Posted:07/16/2001

    • Trail UpdateThursday Group-I'm sure someone will disagree with me, but every Thursday, it seems to me that the group stops a lot for breaks, or to let the slower riders catch up. The only problem with this is that there's always some who stop in the middle of the trail, and I almost rear-end them sometimes. Or, you have to yell at them to get outta the way. Mostly, they seem like nice enough folks, but I don't ride in large groups for that reason. I think under an hour is pretty quick for the Loop.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11.6 Elevation change: minor
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=50% Paved Path=5% Truck Trail=80%
      Tom a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a FSR from orange

      Posted:07/15/2001

    • Trail UpdateThursday Night...-How long does it take to finish the loop with the Thursday night group? I would like to try it, but don't care to hold up the pro's!
      a Weekend Warrior riding a XCR-1500 GT from Buena Park

      Posted:07/15/2001

    • Trail UpdateSaturday Warm And Sunny-Rode the loop this afternoon starting about 3:30pm. I like to ride in the heat, it makes me pace myself and I always get into a good rythm. There are some areas where there is no breeze at all. The trail was a little dusty but not bad, hard packed in some spots and the sandy areas were soft. Came across only a few other riders and no hikers. One horeseback (I was very polite as I passed and got a polite hello). This is one of the best times of day to ride if you don't want a crowded trail. Most people walk or ride in the morning and evening. Can sombody tell me how long the trail is if you don't take the water tower route? Did I go 10 miles?
      Frank Kip a 47 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant XTC DS2 from Brea

      Posted:07/14/2001

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop-hello everybody,the loop was great today,got off work early and bombed nobody was on the trail lots of new little drops.watch for low branches.ride on brothers and sisters
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      bungle a 27 year old Downhiller riding a sc bullit from la mirada

      Posted:07/11/2001

    • Trail UpdateRe:Thursday Night Ride-Get there by 6:00, ride starts between 6 and 6:30.
      Sdr77 a 41 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Specialized FSR from So Cal

      Posted:07/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateThursday Night Ride-What time does the Thursday night ride meet behind the courthouse?
      C-DaleMan a 27 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a C-Dale SuperV 2000 & R300 from Fullerton

      Posted:07/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateSnake, Part 2-I wasn't going very fast considering I was climbing on a single track. It's difficult to recognize a snake that is the same color as the dirt. It looked like a twig until I got close enough.
      Mpainter a 27 year old riding a Scwinn Mesa GSX from Diamond Bar

      Posted:07/03/2001

    • Trail UpdateOut Of Control (karma Says)-It is sad I have seen more smashed reptiles on the
      Fullerton loop than any other trail I have enjoyed.
      The last time I rode this trail, I came across an
      huge 9" lizard with his guts hanging out his side,
      still alive but immobile. Across his back were tire
      tracks.
      No wonder hikers in the area hate us.
      When you start running over snakes and other
      critters (you didn't know what it was so you smashed
      it???) in pursuit of your "enjoyment", you are riding out of bounds.
      Please keep it under control people.
      Fullerton is not a race course.

      Karma says you lost your helmet.

      Ride distance: as long as you want Elevation change: nil

      Posted:07/03/2001

    • Trail UpdateSnakes-I saw a snake on the trail about a week ago. Don't think it was a rattle snake. Ran over it before I realized what it was.
      Mpainter a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Scwinn Mesa GSX from Diamond Bar

      Posted:07/03/2001

    • Trail UpdateLost Helmet-I think I left my helmet in the parking lot at the park on Rosecrans. It's a red/black/gray Trek helmet. I left my gloves with it. Anyone happen to pick it up?
      Mpainter a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Scwinn Mesa GSX from Diamond Bar

      Posted:07/03/2001

    • Trail UpdateI Thought I Heard A Rattle Snake-My son and I was cruzin the Loop and at the brisk downhill towards Euclid by that first drop I hear this maraca going off. I get to the bottom to and wait for my son and he's like all stoked from hearing that maraca and that he caught the biggest air out of fear to get outta there!(claiming he caught 2 seconds of air time, awe the thrill of first big air...) Are there rattlers around there?!
      Rick & Son

      Ride distance: 10+miles Elevation change: not much...
      Rick a 37 year old Weekend Warrior riding a 98 Schwinn S-20 from Bellflower

      Posted:07/02/2001

    • Trail UpdateTree Down-Just a heads-up! If you take the trail to the right about half way up Widow's Peak, there is a down tree laying across the trail.
      DaveD a 28 year old

      Posted:06/30/2001

    • Trail UpdateDamage Not That Bad.-The fire was actually pretty small. It looked like more when it was smoldering and there were two fire trucks and crews. Thanks to the FFD for getting to it quickly.
      Ron a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Gary Fisher from Fullerton

      Posted:06/18/2001

    • Trail UpdateFire In The Hole!-I rode the trail Saturday afternoon and discoverd a fire being extinguished by the Fullerton Fire Dept. behind the dam. I hit the log bridge at about 5:30 after smelling smoke for a few minutes. The other side was totally torched with a bunch of firemen at work. They said it was intentionally set. I carried my bike through the charred remains of trees and bushes. Not sure what shape that part of the creek trail is in now, but the area looks pretty barren and the ground is soggy from the fire hoses. I'll have to check back Sunday after the fire crew has cleared out.
      Ron a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Gary Fisher from Fullerton

      Posted:06/16/2001

    • Trail UpdateJust after you cross the railroad tracks there's a short drop to your left that will take you to the golf course.

      After you go down go to your left, follow this until you get to a large palm tree. At the tree make a sharp right up a short hill. Cross the street and drop down by the golf course.

      Posted:06/12/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop Question-I rode the loop for the first time on Sunday. I had a copy of Franko's map and for the most part we figured out all the street crossings. However, coming out of the Laguna Lake area, there is long stretch of fairly flat road. I remember crossing the railroad at one point and I just kept going thinking I was going the right way. Ended up exiting into a neighborhood and following a street down to Bastanchury, up a short, steep bank, and met back up with the road leading out of the Courthouse parking lot (where I started).

      Somewhere, I missed a turnoff to head under Harbor and onto the golf course area...Where did I go wrong? Can anyone help?

      Thanks.

      thunnus@excite.com
      Ride distance: 11+ Elevation change:
      Scombridae1969 a 32 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Fisher from La Habra

      Posted:06/12/2001

    • Trail UpdateI Miss This Trail !!!-Now that I've moved here in San Francisco area, I had a chance to ride the loop when I visited my parents on 06/04. The trail was in excellent shape, some pipes cut away from the watertank section, improved lines on the left short drop section before the long downhill towards Euclid, but I was sad to read about the trail user animosities (booby traps?)that has been going on lately.

      I used to ride to this trail about three times a week when I lived in Brea, now I have to drive to the nearest worthy trails around here away from the tourist section of town.

      Will this place still be open next time I visit my parents in their apartment up over the golf course? I hope the city will not close this trail to the courteous majority due to the handfull of SOB's like what has happened here in Marin. Take it easy you guys and keep the trail open for the rest of us!
      Ganz a 31 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Bontrager Hard Tail from Daly City, CA

      Posted:06/11/2001

    • Trail UpdateLog Crossing-When you go through the tunnels go to the left side along the water the trail is there!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      MR BONK a 39 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek vrx400 from Rancho cucamonga

      Posted:06/09/2001

    • Trail UpdateLog Crossing-After the Tunnels, take the trail to the left. Make an immediate right where you drop into the lower trail that follows next to the riverbed. Follow this singletrack and you'll find the log crossing. Goodluck.
      Ride rating: Novice
      DaveD a 28 year old

      Posted:06/09/2001

    • Trail UpdateLog Crossing....?-Where is the log crossing to be found? Is it near the tunnels? I always go through the left tunnel and up the far left trail that eventually splits in to a 3-way fork...either staright or a hard right is what I take. Can you go left?
      Ride it smooth and safe!
      Ride rating: Novice
      46 year old BP XCR-1500 a Weekend Warrior

      Posted:06/07/2001

    • Trail UpdateMucho Maintenance!-Lot's of grading work has been done over the last week. The upper single-track off of Rosecrans past the Gilbert Rd. entrance has been cleared and is in great shape. The downhill section to Euclid has some deep loose sand just before you enter the gated section down to Euclid where the two drop-off's are. More grading work has been done to clear brush just before entering the lake section, needs to be packed. There are a couple new jumps on the double track dropping into the golf course. The most work done on the trail is the single track after the tunnels. Alot of the vegetation has been cleared to widen the trail. The log crossing is a great element on this ride. Again, mucho grading at the top of Widows peak just before the drop to Nationals. The double is still in great shape. Hit it for the first time last night. Yeah, smooth baby! If this place gets a little rain before the heat hits, the trail will be in the best shape I've seen in a long time.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 13.5 miles Elevation change: moderate
      Singletrack=40% Dirt Road=60%
      DaveD a 28 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a GT LTS from RSM

      Posted:06/07/2001

    • Trail UpdateMr. Sereno,

      I recently read your post on the website SoCalMtb.com. I just wanted to thank you and your staff for the quality and diligence with which you perform your duties. I am proud to live in the City of Fullerton and delighted by the fact that one of the most beautiful and well-kept trails in Southern California run right through the middle of town. As an avid cyclist, I am aware of the fact that mountain bikers and land managers are often at odds against each other; the fact that you took time out of your day to respond to the concerns of two-wheeled trail users shows that this is not the case on the trail that I love.

      Thanks to you and your staff for all that you do.

      Regards,
      Justin Mayernik
      C-DaleMan a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a C-Dale SuperV2000 & R300 from Fullerton

      Posted:06/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateFull Face Helmets Are Good-Hey, i used to only use my full face helmet for DH, but i busted my face open just cruisin the trail... so don't get all crazy on someone for the gear they sport..
      philly a 24 year old Downhiller from Orange county, ca

      Posted:06/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateLoop-i would like to thank mr loop local for the insults.
      #1 i do yeild and follow all rules and ride smart.
      #2 my legs are thrashed and i do enjoy chewing my food.
      so that is why i wear the gear i do.the same reason you wear just a helmet PROTECTION!so again thank you
      for your kind words

      bungle a Racer

      Posted:06/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateTrail Maintenance-The City of Fullerton maintains the 30 miles of multi-use recreational trails throughout the City. We concentrate on the main trails to keep them clear and safe. Single track trails created by users are not City sanctioned trails and do not receive regular maintenance.
      Hikers and mountain bike users must yield to equestrians. Mountain bikers must yield to hikers as well. All users should be courteous, respect the trails, and clean up after themselves.
      Recently, we have cleared some broken bottles, nails, and debris from single track trails. We will respond to any maintenance issues reported to the City of Fullerton Maintenance Services Department at (714) 738-6897. In fact, we have an avid mountain bike user on staff, who is a Fullerton resident and rides the loop weekly and who is in charge of recreational trail maintenance. Any criminal activity should be reported to the Fullerton Police Department at (714) 738-6715.
      Dan Sereno, Landscape Superintendent for the City of Fullerton

      Posted:06/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateCheck This Out-OK
      Now im sure everyone can agree with this one. This guy is the type of person that will get the fullerton loop shut down. I hope that you are bieng smart, and giving rite aways to others, like hikers, horseback riders etc, while on your "bullit". Most people that I see out on the course yield to others, and I fully understand there are parts on the course where you can open up without worries, but be smart about it, and dont ruin this course for others. Fullerton is not that tech. of a course, its actually pretty easy and nothing that I would call"risky", now the pads and the full face helmet, really, are you that inexperienced, scared, or did all the gear come with your bike when it was onsale at sears?
      A Fullerton Loop Local a 25 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a G.T. from Fullerton

      Posted:06/04/2001

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop-blasted the loop jumping,flying,soaring,climbing,no slaming,getting funny looks because i'm the only one with a full-face and pads.look out i'll be on a bullit soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      bungle a Racer

      Posted:06/01/2001

    • Trail UpdateSandy Spots-Rode the loop on 5-31-01. There appear to be several new thick sandy spots, including a spot near the end of the downhill onto Euclid and the single track to National. Be careful at high speeds. Otherwise, it's still a great ride.
      Mpainter a 27 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Schwinn Mesa GSX from Diamond Bar

      Posted:06/01/2001

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop-I know everyone starts at the court house, but I suggest you start down by Sunnyridge. You get two of the three worst climbs out of your way and you'll feel stronger for the rest of the ride. Especially if you like to climb the "Widows Peak."
      If you can I recommend a night ride. It turns this begginers course into an advanced course real quick.
      The trail is well groomed right now, but be careful of sabotage!
      Bar Bar a 28 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant from Fullerton

      Posted:05/31/2001

    • Trail UpdateLoop-sorry to be hostile i ride the loop 4x a week if i see any traps or any harmful intent evident on the trail
      i WILL wait in hiding and kick major ass. because if this keeps up the whole will be gone.it's bad enough with the people with the paint guns.please let me shed some light all these hikers put their safety in our hands by never looking behind themselves and the horses forget about it they should be in the country
      not downtown fullerton pissing and crapping on the trail no room for all that.it's one thing to disagree
      but when people start getting hurt because of traps it only gets worse!!!!!!!!
      a Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:05/29/2001

    • Trail UpdateSurely Doomed-Are you guys noticing a trend here? One guy is asking if 1:05 is fast enough to ride with a group, and others are talking about aging pedestrians swinging their canes at us as we speed by, and now wire being strung across the trail and broken glass boobytraps. Here's an idea: STOP USING THE LOOP AS YOUR RACETRACK. I enjoy my evening rides, but I don't use a stopwatch. I hate to think that when (not IF), they close the trails to mtb'ers, I'll have to drive all the way down to Whiting after work.
      Be gentle.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 11 Elevation change:
      Singletrack=10% Dirt Road=20% Paved Path=20% Truck Trail=50%
      Tom

      Posted:05/29/2001

    • Trail UpdateWhat's My Class?-I want to join a group that does the loop on a regular basis, but don't want to join the wrong one. I have been riding for about a year and a half, and can do the loop in 1:05 including the single track above the water tower. Is that still a beginner pace or what? I don't want to join a fast group and get blown away. I have been making the last climb leading to the descent to National lately.....Yeah!
      Richard a 46 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT i-drive from Buena Park

      Posted:05/28/2001

    • Trail UpdateUse Caution-a rider was seriously hurt last night from a wire strung across the trail. a second wire was spotted luckily before it clotheslined someone or worse. someone also found part of the trail near the tunnel spiked with nails. please use caution.

      Posted:05/28/2001

    • Trail UpdateSabotage-Hi,

      I ride the loop a lot. A few weeks ago, someone had blocked the singletrack across the road from the courthouse with many large, cut branches. In front of the branches, they had broken MANY bottles, and placed them in front of the wood pile.
      Also, I almost hit a guy on a motorcycle last week riding towards me on the singletrack (the right split where the tree blocks the path) past the tunnel. I braked so hard when I saw him, that I endoed hit my head hard, and banged my shoulder up pretty bad. He apologized profusely, and gave me a fake name.
      ALso, there were a lot of hikers/walkers out today. I tried to be courteous to them, but I am wondering if at some point we will lose the right to ride there. I hope not.
      Jerry is the name of the guy who cleared the tree off the singletrack past the lake.
      Finally, be careful crossing Sunny Ridge on Rosecrans! I was hit by a driver there a few months ago and had to go to the hospital in an ambulance.

      Anyway, ride on. :)

      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 11.8 Elevation change:
      jenny a Racer riding a Kona King Kahuna from Whittier

      Posted:05/24/2001

    • Trail UpdateWhat Happened To The Challenge?-The Weather at Fullerton Was extremely nice,and very amazingly not to many riders out, but I occasionally blew by a few. The terrian though is just not the same as it use to be. Roads no longer have those ruts that help provide alittle challenge, it almost felt like riding on pavement for a majority of the ride, but for bieng a local, it was still not bad.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 14 Elevation change: ????
      Singletrack=not% Dirt Road=eno% Paved Path=ugh%
      t man a 25 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a My GT I drive from Fullerton

      Posted:05/19/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Grand Prix-I finally met the owners of the Loop. At least that's how they rode, blocking the trail whenever they took a break, and passing without regard to anyone else being there. Also, an old man with a cane (!) finally had enough of mtb'ers blasting by him, and he swung his cane at a guy ahead of me, causing him to crash!!! I had little sympathy for the "victim", as he was sporting racing numbers on his bicycle, and treating the Loop similarly. Hey, guys, do you want our trails shut down? Jeez, remember other users, or take your racing somewhere less traveled by pedestrians.
      On another note, the trail is very well groomed, no real obstacles :-( and definitely back to beginner status.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Singletrack=5% Dirt Road=80% Paved Path=10% Truck Trail=5%
      Tom a 42 year old Weekend Warrior riding a bike

      Posted:05/17/2001

    • Trail UpdateTree Gone!-Was out this morning and removed most of the the tree that fell across the the upper single track just past the lake.(Back to normal)Big Joe is right about the dirt parking lot on rosecrans.It seems that chevron has fenced off the whole thing getting ready for the development that is going to to take place. LATE!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Cliff the Baldguy a 39 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a NRS 1 XTC from Fullerton,Ca.

      Posted:05/14/2001

    • Trail UpdateTree Down...-Yup, ran into the downed tree. I havent read the postings so I had no idea of this obstacle. Props to the guy that was trying to cut it into small pieces. I've met him before but forgot his name...he's a Mtn biker though. For those who hasn't seen this obstacle, it's past the lake, up the singletrack to the right but before the drop into the railroad tracks. Other than the tree, the only thing changed was the dirt parking lot at the Rosecrans' trailhead(west of Gilbert). They have completely fenced off this area. For those who park here regularly you're going to have to find a new place to park...like me.

      Trail conditions were great. Ride HARD, Ride FAST!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11.5 miles Elevation change:
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Intense Tracer from Fullerton, CA

      Posted:05/14/2001

    • Trail UpdateMore Trail Sabotage!!-
      Rode the Loop this afternoon and someone chopped down a fairly large tree, blocking the single track along the trail that goes between Laguna Lake and the train overpass.

      Looks like the tree originated from the property of one of the homeowner's along the trail...


      Yubert a 41 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Schwinn S-Carbon from La Mirada, CA

      Posted:05/12/2001

    • Trail UpdateLumberjacks Blocking Trail-Rode the loop after work today, and there is a small tree down on the single track to the right of the Lost Trail. At about the half-way point someone chopped it down across the trail. This tree did not fall on its own. Someone took an axe to it. I hope the Thursday night riders don't hang themselves on this one. There are also a few places where branches have been laid across the trail, but that just makes for interesting riding. The brush is pretty thick in some places behind the dam, so put your head down and barrel through.
      Ron a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Gary Fisher soft tail from Fullerton

      Posted:05/03/2001

    • Trail UpdateLunch Time Loop!!!-Rode the loop today at noon and the trail is in good shape.I have not ridden this trail in about a month so, I was expecting to see everything over grown.Looks like the city trail boys must have been out doing some weed clearing.(Great Job!)And keep up the great work.The sand down hill with the double to the left is happening.What a Rush!!!
      Ride distance: miles11.5 Elevation change:
      adam p a Weekend Warrior

      Posted:04/30/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Lost my front fender on Sat (4/21). Anyone finds it, please call 714-992-2791. Thanks
      Ride rating: Novice
      a Cross-Country Rider riding a KHS softail from Fullerton

      Posted:04/23/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-In response to post #3 below, this person obviously hasn't seen the high speed jumps on downhills and other little technial sections of the loop.

      I like all the new technical sections there now and will have to step it up a few notches. If you went balls out, you could get serious air on some of those downhill jumps to downslopes! I'm gettin better but am not willing to go balls out on it (yet?)

      Advanced rating is only if you go balls out on the downhill jumps.

      good loop.
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Ride distance: ? Elevation change: a bit
      Singletrack=60% Paved Path=40%
      Flowrider a 37 year old Weekend Warrior riding a a hardtail racer for now from HB

      Posted:04/22/2001

    • Trail UpdateAnother Great Day!-I would like to report sweet conditions on the loop once again. The weather this past Easter was very pleasant to say the least. Everything went as planned for our ride, and the squirrel face made it up all the hills! I'm proud of Nuts Mom! She's the best! Well, I hope the weather holds out until the weekend...


      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12.4 Elevation change:
      James a 28 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Schwinn 4Banger from H.B.

      Posted:04/16/2001

    • Trail UpdateGreat For Kids-I have been riding this trail three times a week for the last two months and right now it is in great shape. Thanks to whoever is doing the repair work (how can I help out with this?)

      Rode this trail yesterday with my son (10yrs old) and had a blast! We started at laguna lake park and did most of the loop except the larger hills near Rosecrans. Anyone interested in getting the young one's into to biking should take them on this trail. A couple of scary sections for kids but it is a good time to introduce them to the concept of riding within their abilities. Otherwise great confidence builder. My son wants to go again tomorrow.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: approx 8 miles Elevation change:
      Mike and Aaron a 28-10 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Gary Fisher Big Sur and a Trek 4300 from Los Angeles

      Posted:04/06/2001

    • Trail UpdateVirgin To The Trail-Wow this is all cross country isn't it? This trail is really good for the beginnners to the intermediate, kinda boring for anyone more advanced. Better watch out for the people walking, they kinda get scared when your flying around a corner. Other than that it was alright, oh and that one drop that leads into the street is pretty gnarly. Thought i would never stop.
      Ride rating: Intermediate

      Posted:04/04/2001

    • Trail UpdateTrail Maintenance-Did the full loop last night. Crews have been out doing a lot of gradeing. No more ruts, kinda takes the technical element away. Oh well, the rest of the loop is in great shape. Single track's are getting a bit overgrown, but we gotta expect that with all the rain. And whoever keeps rebuilding the jumps on the way down to Euclid, kudos to you!! Overall, this is still one of the best novice/intermediate loops' Orange County has to offer. Lot's of hikers last night.
      P.S. Finally found the jumps after the tunnel, fun, fun, fun!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 14 miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=40% Dirt Road=40% Paved Path=20%
      Dave D a 27 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a GT LTS from RSM

      Posted:04/04/2001

    • Trail Updaterode today awesome ride got couple of rude biker up there come on loosing up just remember me when ur bike is down and flat tires and you dont have patches lets see if i'll help.

      ride hard and fast
      see ya
      MIKE H a 34 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT XCR from EL MONTE

      Posted:03/30/2001

    • Trail UpdateGood Karma-Let me begin by saying, I've been riding The Loop for 6 years, and I have no idea where "top of the world" or "Ron's Ridge" are.
      Also, let me apologize to the youngsters who were out there tonight. Pretty large group, many appeared to be teens or early 20's, and not a single "Hi" or "On your left" to be heard all night. No etiquette whatsoever, which caused me some roadie-rage, I guess. I tried to educate them (stupid me!) but in the end, some people are going to just be rude, I guess. Best to go on riding and not worry about them, I suppose. Phew! I feel better now! Keep the dirty side, uh, up.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: some Elevation change: little
      Singletrack=50% Dirt Road=50% Paved Path=50% Truck Trail=50%
      Mr. Manners a 42 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Orange FSR from Orange, CA

      Posted:03/29/2001

    • Trail UpdateRON'S RIDGE-There are some new lines going off the top of world. Just to the left of where we usally drop off is Ron's Ridge. Ron says it carries a high scare factor. Please note that the last section is inverted (big tires and a big courage sack is required).

      To the right about 15 feet is a new section with 2 drops and a hard landing, you got to get way back on your bike for this one.

      Also if you stay to the far right there is a Thru The Trees Shute, kind of steep but easy enough that the girls in your group have no reason not to ride to the Top Of The World.

      CRASH COLLINS a 39 year old Racer riding a Trek Hardtail from Corona, CA

      Posted:03/28/2001

    • Trail UpdateOn A New Toy!!!-Rode two days in a row, Wednesday (during the day) and tonight. Yesterday was my first ride on my new sled, an Intense Tracer. After two and half years on a hardtail I decided to make a switch to a full suspension. What a better place to see the difference between a hardtail and f/s than my "backyard" ride. Overall the ride was great, the bike kicked ass and off course Fullerton Loop is always good to go. Not alot has changed other than the ruts and the sandy spots by the horse arena(before the lake). Get out there fellas!
      Ride HARDER, Ride FASTER!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 11.25 miles Elevation change:
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Intense Tracer from Fullerton, CA

      Posted:03/22/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-I rode this late Monday afternoon. The trail has many new ruts and has loosened up in some areas. Most of the downhill stretches had rough spots. But the best part of the ride was the green. The whole trail is full of blooming yellow flowers and tall greenery. Some of the trail is so grown up you get that tunnel through tall grass feeling which I love. The trail is dry for the most part. Get out and ride it before the sun burns it all away. But do be careful of the ruts and sand washouts at the bottom of some of the hills.
      Kory a 34 year old from Long Beach

      Posted:03/20/2001

    • Trail UpdateFinally Found IT!!-Finally...after several tries, my girlfriend and I figured out the Fullerton Loop. For a while, we didn't think that we would ever figure it out. Sunday was a great day to ride, esp. in the late afternoon, bummer that it got dark so quickly. Next week, we'll be prepared to bring lights. I hope I don't get ambushed with pine cones?!

      later
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 10.4 Elevation change:
      James a 28 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Schwinn 4Banger from H.B.

      Posted:03/19/2001

    • Trail UpdateA Taste Of Summer...-Rode the trail Sunday afternoon. A tad bit on the warm side, took out the sleeveless jersey and headedout. Started at the usual trailhead on Rosecrans(just west of Gilbert). Rode to the golf course, through the tunnels then to the big hill before Nat'ls(now closed). At the top of the hill I decided to double back so I went down the big downhill (pretty interesting, 1st time going in this direction), to the END of the NEW section, down the log crossing then back through the tunnels. The new section was really in good shape - not sandy at all. From here I just re-traced my way back to the car. Through the golfcouse, Laguna Lake, crossed Euclid, climbed the long fenceline then back to the car. Overall the trail was in great shape, plenty of ruts but everything else is hard packed. Get out there and ride fellas...
      Ride HARD, Ride FAST!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 10.75 miles Elevation change:
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a GT Hardtail from Fullerton, CA

      Posted:03/19/2001

    • Trail UpdateAWESOME NITE RIDE!!-I rode the loop on Saturday nite and it was a great ride for my first nite ride. If you have never tried the trail at nite, you gotz to experience it. It was a bit chilly but I was to busy watching out for the ruts to be thinking about the cold. Overall the trail was dry with some patches of mud near the railroad tracks. Hey, Cheez if your out there "Thanks for cruising with me on the nite ride!"
      Chuppie a 29 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Stumpjumper FSR XC from Cypress, CA

      Posted:03/11/2001

    • Trail UpdateFor The Most Part It's Dry!-As long as you stay on the main trail it's dry...but on the side trails soft sand and muddy (but hey isn't that the fun part?). But there are alot of ruts...but I see them as an opportunity! By the way the mud is very smelly, hence the horse and dog urine...no doubt!
      MtBchickie a 32 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek from Fullerton

      Posted:03/09/2001

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop-I rode the loop on Friday and Sunday...if I see those pinecone throwing kids...better hope they can run faster than I can ride! I didn't have any problems like that...just all the mutts running loose! Anyhow the loop is in my backyard (how convienent) so of course it is a favorite! I always have an enjoyable ride and generally never have a problem. Have fun and see you all there!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12 Elevation change:
      MtBchickie a Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek from Fullerton

      Posted:03/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateThe Loop-I rode the loop on Friday and Sunday...if I see those pinecone throwing kids...better hope they can run faster than I can ride! I didn't have any problems like that...just all the mutts running loose! Anyhow the loop is in my backyard (how convienent) so of course it is a favorite! I always have an enjoyable ride and generally never have a problem. Have fun and see you all there!
      Ride rating: Advanced
      Ride distance: 12 Elevation change:
      MtBchickie a Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek from Fullerton

      Posted:03/05/2001

    • Trail UpdatePUNK KIDS-hey everybody,looped it 3-3,3-4-01.fat tires hook up nicely.watch out for kids throwing pine cones at you,i was ambushed behind the courthouse,none hit me but i yelled at them like their father.saw the same kids again sunday.WATCH OUT!
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      bungle a 26 year old Die-hard Enthusiast

      Posted:03/04/2001

    • Trail UpdateMother Nature Changes The Loop.-Today was probably one of the only ridable days on the loop for the past week and a half. At the golf coarse, at the bottom of the steep section there remains a lot of water and mud. You will need to watch for this so you wont add more dents and bruises to fence there. A little ways further from there, there is a washed out section that must be hopped or walked. The flooding in the creek that leads to dam made the new section a bit more technical where the section of black top is exposed. This is still passable, but now to the right. The flooding in Hiltcher Park made things real fun as well. All the ruts are bigger and lots of new obsticals. A couple of big storms coming in. Wait a couple of days after they pass and hit the loop. Its getting real fun!!
      Rick the nice guy a 30 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a RALEIGH M-60 from FULLERTON

      Posted:03/03/2001

    • Trail UpdateLoop De Fullerton-I rode "the loop" a week and half ago and the conditions were great, except for a couple of mud slides that have covered the trail by the railroad tracks near the golf coarse. Unfortunatly with all of the rain we have had since then, the surface probably now consists of a thick goo, and the forcast calls for more by this weakend. So much for drying out. For all of you extreme riders out there, I suggest trying the jump on the far left side on the hill behind what used to be National Sports Grill. It's not as hard as it looks. I can't wait to get out there before the rain hits.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change: Not much
      Singletrack=60% Dirt Road=40% Paved Path=10%
      Flying Ryan a 19 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a K2 Razorback from La Habra, CA

      Posted:03/01/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Rode this morning at 7 AM 15 plus miles. The trail was moist but definately ridable. There are alot of mud puddles to avoid unless you like splashing through them. If we are lucky and don't get rain today tomarrow should be alot better.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 15.5 miles Elevation change:
      Mike a 45 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a GT 3000 from Fullerton

      Posted:02/17/2001

    • Trail UpdateThe "Loop"-Rode the loop for the 2nd time today, it was fairly cold but my girlfriend and I had a blast. This is a great ride, funny that I never knew it existed for all these years...duh!


      James a Weekend Warrior riding a Schwinn 4Banger from H.B.

      Posted:02/11/2001

    • Trail UpdateLoop-some jackass knocked down the first jump down to euclid
      and there are some other area where it looks like someone hacked it up with a pic or shovel,mainly jumps
      were attacked!other than that trail is rockin

      Posted:02/10/2001

    • Trail Update"Full Loop Saboteur"-We have a person that likes to sabotage the new section just after the tunnels on a regular basis and
      its getting old.He digs potholes,lays tree limbs and logs on trail,hammers finishing nails in the log crossing leaving them up about an inch or so to flaten tires.If you see him or catch him in the act put this guy in check.!!!Anyway rode the loop last night and was it cold.Saw a couple of rider out braving the cold air.Trail is in good shape.Hope eveyone can get a ride in befor the weekend rain.LATE!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: miles 12 Elevation change:
      Cliff the baldguy a 38 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant NRS-1 XTC from Fullerton,Ca.

      Posted:02/08/2001

    • Trail UpdateLost!-Silver bracelet approx 3 weeks ago on a Thursday night.
      This was a gift from a sig other. Any help is
      appreciated$
      JD a Cross-Country Rider riding a Proflex from Costa Mesa

      Posted:02/02/2001

    • Trail UpdateFence Line To Euclid...-Just an FYI, I rode late this afternoon and noticed on the Nora Kuttner trail, just as the trail ends and dumps you on the sidewalk, someone has made a jump there. This is totally cool, HOWEVER, most of us gets pretty gung ho down this trail. The momentum you get coming down is pretty good...think twice before you take this jump. If you're lucky, you'll land on the sidewalk and just stop. If you dont stop...well that's Euclid just past the sidewalk and we've all seen how busy this street gets. Just be careful.

      On another note, I was at Costco on Harbor this evening. As I was leaving I saw 6-7 trucks with BIKES going through the parking lot to a sushi restaurant around the corner(past Toy'R Us, Office dept/max)
      Just wondering if this was a MTB club. It looks like they just came from the Loop after a night ride.

      Right on...Ride HARD, Ride FAST!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 9 miles Elevation change:
      Big Joe a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a GT Hardtail from Fullerton

      Posted:02/02/2001

    • Trail UpdateTrail Update!!-The wooden fence that runs along parks rd that most of us enter through after riding along the railroad tracks and sunny hills farm is being closed off.To enter the trail now you must cross parks rd parallel with the tracks and pick up trail there.(Easy to see)You will go under a large oak tree and across an asphalt crossing with a gazebo type structure and then you will enter through the wood fencing.This was used when the loop first started but, after a car crashed though the fencing years ago and the fence was not repaired people started using it to enter the trail enstead.Please pass along the info to all your riding buddies.LATE!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Cliff the baldguy a 38 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant NRS-1 XTC from Fullerton,Ca

      Posted:01/23/2001

    • Trail UpdateThe Virgins-Had a great time 1-21-01. Hope my family of 4 didn't get in your way. We rode from euclid east to the court house parking lot. Was this the safest part of the LOOP for my 4 & 7 yr. old? please e-mail me.
      Ride rating: Beginner
      Ride distance: 1-2miles Elevation change: 50-75feet
      Singletrack=20% Dirt Road=80%
      local yocal a 36 year old Weekend Warrior riding a looks like a mountain bike from fullerton URL: http://ficarp@aol.com

      Posted:01/22/2001

    • Trail UpdateCool New Trail-Rode this afternoon and conditions were pretty good. The new trail is a little sandy in parts but a lot of fun. Cliff, if you are responsible for all these trail enhancements, thanks a lot and thanks to the rest of the crew that keeps them in shape. There is a tree down at the beginning of Hiltscher Park, but you can take the lower fork around it.
      Ron a Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Gary Fisher from Fullerton

      Posted:01/20/2001

    • Trail UpdateThe Poop On The Loop-Rode the Loop tonight with about 16 of the thursday regulars. A real fun bunch! Trail is a little soft in places, but all in all the trail is in decent shape. Spent a while cleaning logs and debris from the new single track after the tunnels. Someone is really trying hard to kill one of us!. Thursday night is a great time to ride. Try it sometime.
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 Elevation change:
      clancy a 40 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Many K2's from Norco

      Posted:01/18/2001

    • Trail UpdateNight Riding !!-Did the loop last night but cut out the last 2 miles by the golf coarse. I have rode at night before but not at these temps. It was cold and dark and the ruts made it a little more interesting but the ride was great. The night ride was a lot of fun and I look forward to the next night ride. But man was it cold.

      Ride scarry fast.
      Hoss
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 10 miles Elevation change:
      Hoss a 33 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT LS4 from Fullerton

      Posted:01/18/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-I have ridden this trail several times. I am a beginner rider riding a rigid. I take my whole family on the trail, two boys 10 & 13 and my husband (who introduced me to mountain biking). It is challenging in spots, and yes I have to walk my bike up the two steep hills. Its great for a family ride, not really too hard, but interesting. You have to watch what you ride through, horse poop and all, but its better than having to look for oncoming traffic on city streets and the boys really think they have accomplished something by trails end. I really don't see why people are complaining about it, your outside, not in an office, your doing something you love, and if you fall, too bad. We all fall, so watch were you fall and stay on the trails. The trail can be repaired, it was destroyed by inconsiderate idiots who havent a clue what real life and fun is about. Its a good trail to ride for anyone.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Candy girl a 43 year old Weekend Warrior riding a rigid (for now) from Corona, Ca

      Posted:01/17/2001

    • Trail UpdateAfter The Rain-Yep, it rained. Rode the Loop Sunday 1-14, and traction was awesome in the open parts, but kinda muddy under tree cover. It's true, there's lots of ruts now, and a few fallen tree surprises, but all in all it was fun. I second the motion for some maintenance- any body know how to organize this? Or are there Fullerton Loop Rangers who get paid to maintain the trails?
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: Elevation change: you know
      Singletrack=yes% Dirt Road=yes% Paved Path=boo% Truck Trail=ouch%
      TMBiker a 42 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a FSR from here, there

      Posted:01/15/2001

    • Trail UpdateTHE LOOP-RODE THE LOOP 1-13,IT REALLY NEEDS TO DRY OUT!!!THE TRAIL ALSO NEEDS A LOT OF LOVE AND ATTENTION.FALLEN TREES,RUTS A LOT OF RUTS.IF ANYONE CAN EMAIL ME INFO ON TRAIL MAINTENANCE SCHEDULES I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO HELP
      Ride rating: Intermediate
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change: ?
      Singletrack=72% Dirt Road=13% Paved Path=15%
      MIKE a 26 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a TREK from LA MIRADA

      Posted:01/14/2001

    • Trail UpdateFullerton After The Storm-I'd like some opions on how the trail will be to ride Sunday afternoon (1/14). This is my first year of riding and I don't want to do any damage.
      Wheezer a 36 year old

      Posted:01/13/2001

    • Trail UpdateTrail Vandalized & Jonesing Mtbr-Just a quick update on the new trail just past the tunnels.I was informed that the trail was jacked up sometime sunday or monday by some punk kids with nothing else to do.Went out after the rain stoped on friday to check it out and I can say that they're lucky I did not cath them in the act.They put everything they could find to stick in the trail and dug trenches across the trail.Also pulled up the log crossing at the other end of the trail.Will try to get out on sunday to fix the log crossing.For the mtber's who rode the loop on friday I know we are all jonesing to ride but lets wait at least 24 hrs to ride if not longer.There was alot of man hrs spent in making that trail for us to ride so if you come upon someone wrecking a trail while you are riding put a stop to it the best you can.Enough said.LATE!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Cliff the Baldguy a 38 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a 2001 Giant NRS - XTC with a can of whoop ass from Fullerton,Ca

      Posted:01/13/2001

    • Trail UpdateFULLERTON LOOP-RODE THERE TODAY TRAIL IS IN GOOD SHAPE.
      TAKE THE NEW TRAIL AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL GO ALONG THE STREAM BED AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO LIFE YOUR BIKE OVER THE TREE.
      AS FOR TECHNICAL RIDEING AT THE END OF THE TREES OFF OF ROSECRANS TRY THE DROP OFFS BEFORE YOU START THE FINAL DOWNHILL SECTION!
      LOOK AT THE FIRST ONE ON THE LEFT WITH THE 2FOOT DROP IN THE MIDDLE.
      GOOD JOB TOM. BARRY DID VERY WELL ON THE DOWNHILL SINGLE TRACK AT THE TOP OF THE 3 BITCHES.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 12 miles Elevation change:
      Singletrack=65% Dirt Road=10% Paved Path=25%
      MR BONK a 39 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Trek vrx400 from Rancho cucamonga

      Posted:01/07/2001

    • Trail UpdateEasy Now!-The stumps I refered to below are just off the line of the trail. They are in no way an obstacle or challenge (except apparently in my friend's mind, if he falls). The stumps are in fact there becuz some other FINE rider decided that the trees they once were were too close to the trail, and he couldn't get his 36" wide riser bars past them. So he broke them off, leaving very jagged stumps.

      I agree with you, Chad, that technical challenges make the Loop much more interesting and fun. I have deeply regretted the loss of the steps and the roots. But I don't think removing these particular stumps would reduce any challenge (they're not in the trail)....but guess what? I drug the guy who was complaining about them out there this morning, and he rode the trail just fine, without falling on any stumps and ripping out his intestines! So I'm gonna leave 'em alone, at least for now.
      Mtncranker a 48 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Titus HCR from La Mirada

      Posted:01/06/2001

    • Trail UpdatePlease no more trail "maintenance" on the loop.

      Removing obstacles that make the loop fun or make the loop challenging for learning riders is not maintenance. There alternatives to any so called "difficult" section for someone who wants a different type of ride.

      For people who live in the area the ride will remain great if for no other reason than for exercise/training becuase of the rolling hills and close proximity for an after work ride. The obstacles are what made and still make (in the last few spots) rides like that fun.

      You can compare this to the non mt biking world with an analogy to the dumbing down of the schools. Why should we make the trails (classes) easier just to cater to the lowest common denominator. In using the words lowest common denominator, I do not mean a worthless person who should be kicked off the trail, but someone who just wants a nice relaxing "ride in the park" without any bumps etc... Someone like this who would prefer to ride at the beach but can't because they live in North County and are "stuck" with the loop. There are plenty of easier options that don't involve the "extra-credit".

      Please, no more vandalism on the loop.
      Chad a 21 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a probably the only rigid one left on the loop from La Habra

      Posted:01/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateHey Cliff The Bald Guy!-Trail maintenance question: I was talking to a friend yesterday, and he said he heard of someone falling onto one of the ragged stumps of the eucalyptus saplings on the singletrack (west end of the Loop, above Rosecrans, above the water tank, above the main trail). He won't ride up there now, and thought the stumps should be removed. What would it take to do that? Should I just take my pruning saw or chainsaw up there and trim them down? Do we need some legal okay? Or do we leave them as "character"? Email me below!
      Mtncranker a 48 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Titus HCR from La Mirada

      Posted:01/05/2001

    • Trail UpdateBeginner Trail, I Dont Think So-Ok, maybe it's not the most advanced trail on the planet but I wouldn't clasify it as a beginner trail. Sure it's easy at some level but who ever said this trail is not worth riding please dont! (Ride it that is)..... This trail is great for after work, for a weekend pick-me-up, for taking that new betty your trying to impress with your riding skills without killing her on some killer downhill over bolders. So for those of you who said this trail isn't worth riding please stay away, I would hate to run over you on those downhills. Now for all of you horse haters, remember, don't hate the horse, hate the horse owner. They choose a sport that requires very little cardio, hense the wide load these poor horses have to haul around. Remember these horses do get spooked when you pass them so pass slow. If you get confused between the horse and the rider the horse is the one that smells better.
      See ya out there.
      Ride scarry fast.
      Hoss
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 10-12 miles Elevation change: ?
      Singletrack=50% Dirt Road=40% Paved Path=10%
      Hoss a 33 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT LS4 from Fullerton

      Posted:01/05/2001

    • "New Trail"-Theres a new section of trail just after the tunnels when leaving the golf course.After exiting the tunnel and going through the cement dip it will be on your right.You will have to "Hike-a-Bike" over the first tree log to get started. Somewhat technical after that with some root sections and a short sandy climb.This trail is as close to the water as you will get and also has a log crossing.You will end up close to the dam.It is worth trying out over the holidays.Everyone have a Merry Christmas.LATE!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Cliff the Baldguy a 38 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant DS-1 XTC from Fullerton,Ca.

      Posted:12/22/2000

    • Trail UpdateNora Kuttner And Little Fence's.-Nora was a long time trail user and a member of the Fullerton Recreational riders which is the horse riding arena that you pass when heading to the lake.She was as best as I can desribe it was a volunteer trail inspector who always did trail maint.and notified the city on other hazards that needed attention long befor mountain biking became popular.Nora passed away about 8 months ago.The city dedicated that section of the loop in her name for all the hard work and dedication for our trail system.As for the fences by the tree park they were put in to keep us (Mountain bikers) off that section so we do not disturb the residents and make the dogs bark.We must respect this as you know what will happen if the complaints continue.For the loop itself rode this morning and loop is in good shape with lots of riders out around 9:00am.LATE!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: miles11.5 Elevation change:
      Cliff the Baldguy a 38 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a Giant DS-1 XTC from Fullerton,Ca.

      Posted:12/02/2000

    • Trail UpdateTrail Alert
      I have noticed that many riders are going counter clock wise! I realize that there has never been a right way or a wrong way to ride the loop but since most people (95%) ride it clock wise I think that tells the story! if you choose to ride it counter clock just yell at all blind corners that way we do not have a crash with a nother rider!
      keep it under 80 mph
      Tom a Cross-Country Rider riding a Gaint from Fullerton

      Posted:10/15/2000

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-hey everybody!!!
      please help the kona guy.7 water bottles 2 tubes!!!!
      go get a cammelback,put some air in your tires.rode the loop 10-3-00,a little dusty(but only behind me).
      all the jumps are a blast!!!!watch for the horses(sh!t)
      and hikers. ENJOY

      Ride rating: Expert
      Singletrack=63.2% Dirt Road=22.7% Paved Path=.005%
      m.gleason a 26 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a 99 vrx300/98 6000 (both trek) from la mirada

      Posted:10/04/2000

    • Trail UpdateTom On The RR Trail-As your coming down hill towards the RR tracks, on the right hand side there is a new trail. It leads you away from the RR Tracks towards the court house. Other than that, thats all I know
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 14 Elevation change:
      Reed a 39 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a To old to care

      Posted:09/07/2000

    • Some More Trail For You.-When riding the loop clockwise just as you are leaving the lake cross street and hop curb and go left not right.Cross hermosa st. go through pipe gate and on your left there will be small incline with rocks lining it.Take that til the end of the black fence and go left you will see it.On that trail you will cross lakeview and continue on trail.You will come to hermosa dr.Go right for a little st. riding and you will cross las palmas dr.Ride st. til you come to a trail enterance on your right. (It's not marked yet)If you are starting to go downhill on the road you have missed it. This will be be a downhill section and will turn to the right.You will come to lakeview again cross st. and you will ride to the bridge,go under and make a right. There will be an incline at the end to climb to get back to the main trail and go left .This will take you back where you started this trail and now you can finish the loop.This trail is nothing hard just extra mileage for a longer ride.Tell all your riding buddies.LATE!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: miles Not sure Elevation change:
      Cliff the baldguy a 38 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a 2000 Giant DS-1 XTC from Fullerton,Ca.

      Posted:07/21/2000

    • ROUND THE CLOCK FUN!-HEY GANG, THE TRAIL IS MOST POPULARLY RIDDEN IN THE CLOCKWISE DIRECTION. I HAVE HAD A FEW ENCOUNTERS WITH FELLOW RIDERS GOING THE COUNTER CLOCKWISE DIRECTION, AND AT TIGHT SECTIONS AND BLIND CORNERS ITS A BIT TOUGH TO NEGOTIATE. WE ALL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO SHARE THE TRAIL WITH RUNNERS AND EQUESTRIAN RIDERS. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PASS ON THE WORD TO RIDERS GOING COUNTERCLOCKWISE THAT THE TRAIL HAS BEEN WELL ESTABLISHED IN THE CLOCKWISE DIRECTION AND WE CAN AVOID CONFLICTS IF EVERY ONE GOES WITH THE FLOW. THANKS GUYS AND GIVE IT 110%.
      POSCH IN YELLOW a 33 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a TREK 9900 from FULLERTON

      Posted:06/21/2000

    • Trail Update5 More Miles-Found the xtra loop yesterday. I wasn't really sure if that was five more miles but it was definetely fun. As you go through the tunnels in the golf course, you turn left. Follow the trail until you get to an intersection(fire road). Turn left and follow the trail out to Brea Blvd. Cross the street, take the horse trail and go either left or right. You are basically going to ride around the golf course on Brea and Bastanchury. Either direction you will have to climb and decend on loose gravel. Cross the street on Brea Blvd and head back to where you turned off. Finish the rest of the golf course, climb the steep hill(too many names) and come down on National Sports bar. Pretty fun!!! You guys know the motto - Ride hard, ride fast!!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Big Joe a 25 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a GT hardtail from Fullerton

      Posted:06/16/2000

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-Fixed the pipes on the upper single track near the water tower. Hey Cliff see you at the shop
      Ride distance: miles Elevation change: ?
      Mike a 34 year old Racer riding a Trek 9.9 from Fullerton Ca

      Posted:06/12/2000

    • Trail Update5 More Miles-to make the loop a little longer, forget the court house. Park at Brea and Bastanchury by Carl's and Subway. Leave the parking lot on Brea and head west, down to the first light. You will see the trail heading down hill on the right, skip that for now, go left across the Brea and pick up the trail, go left again on the trail towards bastanchury and follow the trail up hill past the Golf course parking lot almost to State College. The trail will fork with a hard right,and climb a little ways, just keep following the trail. When you reach the top, check out the views of Orange county. Keep following the trail down the gravel road and through the green gate. You will now be riding along Skyline. The trail will drop right downhill, just keep following it. You will end up doing a loop around the golf course and come up by the little league field then back along Brea Blvd. When you get back to where you started, cross Brea, go down the horse trail and pick up the loop by the damm. Climb the Raido tower hill, enjoy the rest of the loop and have fun. Check out the two new trails, THERE GREAT!!
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: 16.5 Elevation change: a little
      Willie a 41 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Red Santa Cruz from Fullerton

      Posted:06/08/2000

    • Trail UpdateFullerton Loop-First I would like to say your welcome to TK II.I'm glad you appreciate the work and ride the loop.Saw a nice amount of riders out today.(Great weather today). The new section above the horse arena was altered a bit to make it more fun and doable.(So check it out this weekend).The new trail behind nationals was fun. I tried it tuesday night.It starts to your left just befor you go down the sand down hill.Hope everyone enjoys the loop this weekend and ride safe.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Cliff (The baldguy) a 38 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a 2000 Giant DS-1 XTC from Fullerton,Ca.

      Posted:05/19/2000

    • Trail Alternates-I rode part of the loop this morning and they cut the weeds by the golf course. So no more getting bush whacked. I thought I would share a couple of alternate rides if you don't want to do the whole 11+ miles. From the court house precede as usual. When you get to the sharp left to drop down into Hiltscher Park don't, go straight. The trail dead ends at Bastenchury. Go straight across until that street dead ends at Laguna Rd. Pick the trail up across the street. It will take you to the drop down to the golf course. about 4.5 - 5 miles when your done. Another one if you want to ride Hiltscher Park. Take the sharp left and procede until the rail rode tracks. Don't take the left at Parks Rd. stay on the tracks. Go past Euclid the next street you'll pass is Laguna Rd. go right up the hill pick the trail up on your left go to the drop down to the golf course. About 7 miles when your done. These both cuts out the tougher climbing section (which is a little much for an out of shape beginner like me). ENJOY
      Dave B. a 35 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Giant Rincon SE from Fullerton

      Posted:04/28/2000

    • FULLERTON LOOP 4-27-00-JUST A FEW POINTS OF INTREST ABOUT THE TRAIL.LOOK FOR A NEW SECTION OF TRAIL.IT WILL BE AT HORSE RIDING ARENA AREA.INSTEAD OF TAKING THE TRAIL AT EUCLID AND LAGUNA RD.HEADING TO THE DIP.MAKE A RIGHT AT LAGUNA RD.AND HIT THE MAIN TRAIL TO YOUR LEFT.FOLLOW TRAIL FOR 20 YARDS OR SO AND THERE WILL BE A FRESH TRAIL TO YOUR RIGHT.(ITS EASY TO SEE).THIS WILL TAKE YOU BEHIND THE LARGE PINE TREES ABOVE THE FLAT TAIL YOU RIDE TO GET YOU THE GRASS CLIMB BEFOR THE LAKE.NEED RIDERS TO PACK IT IN TO MAKE IT RIDABLE.(SOFT)SOME OF THE OVER GROWN AREA'S HAVE BEEN MOWED.THE REST WILL BE DONE NEXT WEEK.I RODE TONIGHT AND AT THE SAND DOWN HILL AT THE PARKING LOT GUESS WHAT A CAR WAS PARKED RIGHT THERE ALMOST FOUND MYSELF ON TOP OF IT.SO LOOK OUT.
      Ride rating: Novice
      Ride distance: miles11 Elevation change:
      CLIFF a 38 year old Die-hard Enthusiast riding a 2000 GIANT DS-1 XTC from FULLERTON,CA.

      Posted:04/27/2000

    • Old Geezer-Hey RookieRyder, regarding the losing the trail at the Brea Dam. I've found 2 or 3 different trails through that area.

      The first is to follow the fire road up to the main Brea Dam, you'll see a metal gate which you have to cross under as you go up the Dam. Follow this road past the bridge of the Dam and a couple of yards past the bridge, you'll see a hole cut out on the right -side chain link fence. As you cross over the fence, you can take either paths (left or straight down) since they join up later. The both trails zig zag down the hill and lead to an asphalt path. The left side going up leads to an Int'l Youth Hostel, so take the right path, it leads down to the driving range and Harbor Blvd. Take a left on Harbor to head back to the 76 Station.

      The 2nd and 3rd way are to follow the upper fence line along the perimeter of the Brea Dam which borders a residential area. So when you finish riding thru the basin of the Dam, instead of making a Bee-line towards the Dam, follow the trail leading to the left, up the hill side to the left of the Dam. This is a fairly steep and technical climb. When you get to the top of this ridge, you'll see a white sign stating there's an "Alternate Path" but I haven't found it unless the sign is refering to the opening in the chain link fence on th left.

      If you take the path thru the chain link fence, let's call this the 2nd path. It leads down the bottom of a hill and dead-ends and a street. Follow this street to the right. I recall it leads to Brea Blvd which then leads to Harbor.

      The 3rd path and probably the correct one if you want to advance from Rookie level is to continue on the path at the top of the ridge instead of going thru the hole in the chain link fence. Follow the path as it descends down a widow-maker hill and into the parking lot of the National Sports Bar. From there, go left on Harbor and you'll see the 76 Station a few blocks up on the right side.

      Yubert a 39 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Klein Mantra Race or Schwinn S-Carbon (for now) from La Mirada, CA URL: http://reality.sgi.com/yubert/

      Posted:06/11/1999

    • Trail UpdateRookieRyder-Parked behind the 76 station and started only my third "ride" - and I had a blast. I had some pretty good directions, but folks along the trail helped out when they saw my obvious rookie riding style. It took me about 2hrs to do the entire loop (I had to walk on 2 of the uphills)cuz I had to keep looking at my "map" (thanks Mr.Pooh). Trail conditions were hard pack throughout, no /little mud and the weather held out. I was looking forward to the "5 Boards" area since it is the picture in the trail guide book; alas, the boards aren't what they used to be. My only confusion came at the end of the trail north of the dam, dam but that took a bit of recon to come out on the right side. It seems I lost the trail getting to the top of the dam, finally found it and then promptly lost it on the downhill side. I ended up in the driving range parking lot, but nonetheless, a successfull ride.
      RookieRyder a 36 year old Weekend Warrior riding a '98 Nishiki Colorado from Orange, Cal

      Posted:06/09/1999

    • Trail UpdateThe city keeps grading large sections of the loop so some of the downhills (Bark a dog alley in particular) and a couple of uphills are getting really loose. We need to be aware of locking our brakes up on this stuff or we're really going to pay dearly when the rains return, besides nothing here is that steep so get off the brakes. There are signs advising you against riding the wall, but I don't believe the city can cite you for riding it because they haven't posted an authority to cite just a citation number. The signs have just become targets for gangster grafitti anyway. There is a new singletrack that is almost finished against the fense line in the trees of the first "real" hill. We need more guys riding it to smooth it out and finish it, it's gonna be a great addition.
      Singletrack=50% Dirt Road=50%
      Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius a 26 year old Weekend Warrior riding a GT LTS 1 and sometimes a KHS Tandemania from Westminster CA

      Posted:10/05/1998

    • Trail UpdateI ride this loop once a week. Great fun. Look out for the new trail coming down the hill by the driving range. At the new fence make a quick left, then a slow right to travel outside the driving range fenceline. The downhill is steep and deep. No brakes needed, just good balance. Have fun on the last drop into the National Sports Bar Parking lot.

      And wear you helmet. I saw a guy knocked cold by a low-hanging branch near Laguana Lake. Without a helmet, he would have been cold for a long, long time.
      rsoren a 38 year old Cross-Country Rider riding a Trek Y-3 from Chino Hills, CA

      Posted:09/12/1998

    • At the 9.8 mile there are two tunnels. If you parked by the dam you can take the right tunnel and turn right at the end of the tunnel and then to your left will be a single track that takes you to the other side of the dam. The trail is a little over growen

      Posted:08/29/1997

    • Fullerton Hills Bike Loop-First, let me give credit to the book, "Mountain Biking Orange County" by Randy Vogel & Larry Kuechlin. Although I've done this trail many times, I could never explain the actual route. So, I copied almost everything from the book, & added a few tidbits of my own here & there. In other words, I will not be held responsible for changes in trails, changes in the cerebral activity of the rider who "thinks he remembers the way", or just plain errors or omissions. That's why I strongly recommend taking the ride with someone who has done it before, as it is not very well marked. There are street crossings in the beginning. There are regulars on Thursday nights that meet around 6:00 - 6:30 & who are happy to show you the way.
      The ride:
      Start where the dirt path begins on Berkeley. Just to the right of the path, there are some BMX jumps under the trees. If you feel the urge, get some air. After 0.3M, cross Valley View. Trail forks, I prefer the right side, but either is ok. After 0.6M, cross Richman and continue straight. At 0.8M, take sharp downhill left turn. This turns into a valley of tree shaded singletrack with a slight downhill grade. Enough to help you go fast over bumps & jumps. At 1.7M, you are at the bottom of Hiltscher Park and the trail intersects Euclid. Cross Euclid (remember to look for cars when crossing ALL streets) & resume the trail just past the telephone pole about 20 feet to your right (south) as you cross. Take a short trip through the valley before coming out to a dirt lot on Valley View & Fern Drive at the 1.9M mark. Go straight (west) on Valley View until it bends right and turns into Bastanchury.
      Turn Right on Bastanchury & head west on Warburton until you reach the railroad tracks (2.4M). Turn Right (north) onto a path that follows the east side of the train tracks. At 2.6M, turn left onto Parks Road (1st left) and toward the corral-type entrance to the bridal path. Continue on this path until you reach Rosecrans (3.2M) & cross carefully. Pick up the asphalt trail on the other side which curves around to the left (3.6M) at a small park. Beware, the end and is usually slippery mud. Cross the street at Camino Rey. When you continue, the trail becomes more technical (large tree roots, sand traps, drop offs into sand traps, etc.) and comes out again on Parks Road. You can cross and go up the small hill to end up on a long, steep, rutted & very fast hill (hope you have good brakes), or you can go to the right & take the easier route. They both come to the same place where you will pick up sidewalk to Rosecrans (4.3M). Take a Right & follow the sidewalk for a while. After crossing Sunny Ridge at 5.1M, turn Right back onto dirt. At 5.8M, there is a left handed, uphill fork. (DO NOT TAKE THE RIGHT DOWNHILL FORK)
      At 6.4M the trail exits at the intersection of Chantilly and Castlewood. About 30 feet further you cross Gilbert. Cross Gilbert and take the fenced in dirt trail on the left side of the street until you see a quick left turn that leads uphill (6.7M). This is "Five Boards", a steep, technical, singletrack with RR Ties on one side, and soft sand on the right. Not much room to maneuver here. Later down this part of the trail, you will come up on some fast singletrack that will launch you like the Space Shuttle if you're not careful.
      At 7.4M cross Euclid & turn left (north) to the lower entrance of Laguna Lake Park. The trail starts 40 feet east at Euclid & Laguna. Follow the trail on the east side, cross Clarion Drive (8.0M) & stay on east side. Please avoid the people fishing on the lake. Fishing hooks may be cool earrings, but nobody I know wants to pierce their eyes (yet).
      At 8.3M cross Hermosa and continue on the other side of the street. You can take the fire road down the middle which is flat, or the singletrack on the hill to the right. USE CAUTION ON SINGLETRACK! On the singletrack, there are at least two very low, very thick, and very painful branches that come up on you at the last minute. I've seen more than one person knocked out their clipless pedals & off the bike because their head left a graffiti imprint in the bark.
      At 9.0M, after crossing the bridge, take a sharp downhill left that remains singletrack along the railroad tracks. Follow the tracks under Harbor Blvd. until you see a palm tree (9.3M) and make a hairpin turn uphill. Head up a short way & cross at the Fullerton Golf Course. The trail goes right and follows the west side of the golf course. This is singletrack also, with little room to maneuver between weeds & a fence. At the end of this, you will see two twin tunnels (9.8M). Take the left tunnel & turn left after you exit. Follow the trail through heavy brush in the dry Brea Dam Reservoir. Around the 10.1M mark, you will see three other trails joining the trail you are riding. The first is from the right, the next two are from the left. Bear right at the third junction. You will begin to ascend to the top of a dam on a fire road, then descend next to a driving range. Notice the balls placed upon the path by both unskilled golfers and expert marksmen. Please ensure that the balls coming your way land on the dirt, and not in your ear. Plugged ears could cause you not to hear the words, "Earth Killer" that were yelled my way one day by men in loud pants with fists raised as high as the arthritis pain would allow.
      At 10.9M, on the opposite of the driving line, turn left at the culvert heading downhill. This is one of the fastest parts of the ride. There are short, rolling hills that really get you up to speed. Use caution, at the end, there is a fast hairpin turn to the left as the trail brings you to the parking lot of National Sports bar. (For some of you, the ride may end here)
      Head down the east side of Harbor and cross at the intersection of Brea Blvd. Brea turns into Valley View as you ride across Harbor. Make the first left on Valley View just behind the shopping center. This is Berkeley which leads you back to the parking lot at the 11.6M mark.
      Congratulations! You made it!
      Singletrack=50% Dirt Road=30% Paved Path=20%
      John "Pooh" Curtis a 32 year old Weekend Warrior riding a Mongoose Hardtail (for now at least) from Anaheim, CA URL:John & Desiree's Home Page

      Posted:07/07/1997


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